PSA CRJ-700 AA midair collision

arkavgal said:
The layout, the very long walk get through security and to the gates. The shuttles to get to the outer concourse. I haven't been to IAD since 2016. Maybe things have changed since then. The much needed Metro connection is a plus.
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Hammertime said:
Why? Genuinely curious. It is easily the most underutilized international airport on the East Coast. Easy to navigate, almost never delays unless there's weather directly overhead. As far as I'm concerned, a contributing factor to this accident is too much traffic crammed into a very constrained airspace. This is due to passenger and political demand. I am very curious as to the reasons why passengers "hate" IAD.
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The location is fine for anyone outside the beltway, as long as they’re not traveling westbound after 3pm. The parking is expensive.

EDIT - Metro did make it a little easier, but just a little.

It’s an incredibly inconvenient airport. The sprawling size along with Saarinen’s design means that you traverse no fewer 8 escalators and walk a mile to get to your gate, depending on where you’re traveling.

The sand crawlers - while interesting and cool in a retro-futuristic sort of way, are terrible conveyances. And they break a lot. And no one is making parts for them.

This will get worse with the new terminal.
 
MikeD said:
In PHX we have the Helo One LOA that covers ops within the B surface area, including four transition routings that cross the KPHX finals north to south or south to north at varying distances from the runway.

Being on the departure end of the runway, and crossing the centerline at the varying distances, there’s never any conflict with departing traffic as airliners are climbing rapidly, it’s on the arriving end of the runway as airliners are descending on final, where the assigned helo altitudes can conflict (namely at night, due to altitude restrictions on the routings), and PHX tower monitors this well, modifying which transition we use in order to ensure separation.
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I think things in PHX changed a lot in the aftermath of the news helo midair years ago.


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I don’t always trust things on Twitter these days,but there’s an ATC audio clip floating around now of Brickyard doing a go around the day before after having an RA with a helo at DCA


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azmedic said:
I don’t always trust things on Twitter these days,but there’s an ATC audio clip floating around now of Brickyard doing a go around the day before after having an RA with a helo at DCA


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That is likely true, but it doesn't necessarily mean there was any separation lost. RAs happen all over the country every day.
 
I've caused a fair amount myself, vfr, talking/squawking, and in sight of the actual traffic.

An RA likely saved my life and the lives of however many Marines were on a Super Stallion just north of Miramar one sunny day. We were IFR and warned of the traffic.
 
azmedic said:
I don’t always trust things on Twitter these days,but there’s an ATC audio clip floating around now of Brickyard doing a go around the day before after having an RA with a helo at DCA


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Brick yard?
 
I would think this is something where AI could actually be very useful. If the airplanes are talking to each other and the radar, there could had been an alert to the controllers. The helicopter could had been alerted that it was on an intercept path.
 
MIL/MEDEVAC/LE/ATC FRZ culture is so unique and so insider to those who operate daily inside it at the low levels, that no amount of speculation, armchair analysis and anonymous sources will reveal any noteworthy insights. So far the discipline from those in the know has been good. The major acronyms have avoided mention (except perhaps one: COG--even then it's managed to escape scrutiny)--as it should. Trump classically swatted away that one when prompted by a hapless reporter, underscoring he at least knows the bounds. He should give some pointers to his SecDef, who breathlessly mentioned it. Anyways, those talking don't know, and those who know stay silent. For good reason! Jail! To the grave we go! So pontificate away boys and just wait for the damn investigation to finish, shall we? How about that Headquarters move by PSA? Charlotte ain't bad. Major upgrade from Dayton.
 
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Hammertime said:
Why? Genuinely curious. It is easily the most underutilized international airport on the East Coast. Easy to navigate, almost never delays unless there's weather directly overhead. As far as I'm concerned, a contributing factor to this accident is too much traffic crammed into a very constrained airspace. This is due to passenger and political demand. I am very curious as to the reasons why passengers "hate" IAD.
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Takes an hour to get from the lot to your gate and five guys on the way will give you diarrhea.
 
arkavgal said:
I'm trans and transitioning to a woman and created a new account with a new email address.

I heard it on the news 3 hours after it happened and said out loud "holy •." I was shocked, but not surprised, giving the close calls at DCA and the tight air space. I didn't know there were helicopter routes through the DCA airspace.

This is personal to me, too. I will be going to Maryland near DC soon and was going to use DCA because it has the only direct flight from my city to the area and my destination is about the same distance from IAD, BWI and DCA. I was just there last March. I love the interior architecture and the convenience to DC via the Metro but the airfield always scared me. I'm going to use BWI for my trip after witnessing this crash, even if it means having a connection. I hate IAD.

I'm here to learn but also want to contribute when I have something I feel is worth posting. Notice I also asked a few questions too. The hostility is unnecessary and unwarranted and is really putting a bad taste in my mouth about this place. I've been here for over a decade. I mean seriously wtf.
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The hostility is a protection mechanism - both for people here that potentially know the crew(s) and then generally for the industry at large - from clickbait journalist types. The hostility you are sensing directed at you (for being a newb on a bad aviation day) will eventually become a feature you most cherish about this place, should you stick around. Namaste.
 
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This accident eerily reminds me of the AZ Air National Guard KC-135A and Grumman AA-1 midair collision on final to Luke AFB on 13 March 1982, except it being two fixed wing.

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Thread 'Unaware and Unafraid, in the Undercast'

Regardless of who is at fault, everyone loses in a midair…..

13 March 1982
5 miles south of Luke AFB (KLUF), Glendale, Arizona
Midair Collision:
American AA-1A Yankee, N6160L / Boeing KC-135A Stratotanker, 57-1489 “Copper 5“; 161st Air Refueling Group (AFREG)/ 197th Air Refueling Squadron (AREFS), Arizona ANG

6 Fatal

In this 17th installment of MikeDs Accident Synopsis series, and the 4th installment detailing a midair collision, I again attempt to cover a different facet of midair collisions and their causal factors. Where many midair collisions often come across...
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