last night it said join date was Dec 2024 with only 4 posts, all in the last few days. I don’t have a screenshot but I looked multiple times.
PSA CRJ-700 AA midair collision
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Pilot Fighter
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
Hospitals in most big cities are almost always under B or C airspace. In the Phoenix area for example there can be sometimes 4-5 helos operating in the B at the same time going to and from the trauma centres.
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GroundPilot
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Those two clips were painful to watch 
In PHX we have the Helo One LOA that covers ops within the B surface area, including four transition routings that cross the KPHX finals north to south or south to north at varying distances from the runway.
Being on the departure end of the runway, and crossing the centerline at the varying distances, there’s never any conflict with departing traffic as airliners are climbing rapidly, it’s on the arriving end of the runway as airliners are descending on final, where the assigned helo altitudes can conflict (namely at night, due to altitude restrictions on the routings), and PHX tower monitors this well, modifying which transition we use in order to ensure separation.
As Ian mentioned, two pilots is the min for Army Hawks. Three crew is the min only for AF Hawks. Crew staffing of the Blackhawk doesn’t appear to be any issue of any kind.
Checkride/training on these is like any other checkride on an aircraft, nothing special or really different. On this portion of the flight, nothing complex or highly tasking should have been necessarily going on, on what is just an enroute segment.
Pilot Fighter
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Whatever they were looking at, I can’t imagine them not being rudely distracted by the CRJ lights, dead ahead. I wonder if they were dealing with an ill-timed issue in the cockpit.
Inverted25
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Pics look like it’s missing a wing. That will roll you violently
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melax
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This !
That was probably the last hole in the Swiss cheese.
The altitude deviation along with 3 crew not noticing the CRJ makes me think that maybe there was an element of distraction at that moment. Medical ? Technical ? hopefully will find out.
In any case, it is ill conceived to allow Helo traffic in such proximity of the runway, ATC should sequence the Helo so they can't be in that space together (greater separation).
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
In those new videos I can track both nav lights through both rolls. It doesn’t appear to be a wing failure but it’s hard to say for certain.
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Tough to watch those videos and imagine what was going through everyone’s heads. I can only hope — and it appears to be the case, based on the fall and impact in only seven feet of water — that death was quick for all involved. It is so sad to read all of the stories of the victims: the life events recently experienced or no longer to be experienced in the near future, their personality traits, their families left behind, etc. I guess we should feel somewhat grateful that it had been nearly 16 years since the last major crash, but damn these things are never easy.
