Or was it he was getting opening duties done and couldn’t monitor their taxi to the runway. Not that they should’ve needed it necessarily.
PSA CRJ-700 AA midair collision
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Or was it he was getting opening duties done and couldn’t monitor their taxi to the runway. Not that they should’ve needed it necessarily.
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Check out who he/she follows…¿por que no los dos?
arkflyr
Well-Known Member
I remember the two weeks of knee jerk FAA reaction to that being that when I was flying checks in the wee hours and being told to switch to tower at places like BNA, where I never talked to anyone prior besides the guy running approach, tower, and ground. It went back to that shortly thereafter.
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
Have there been any other mid-airs since the Cirrus/Metroliner one a few years ago where they landed without even realizing they’d had a midair? The Cirrus had the Metro in sight as well too if I recall. Maybe target fixation is aviation’s problem.
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
The air show in Dallas is the last one I remember.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
I was just telling my wife about this one this morning. I showed her the pictures and told her the metro thought he had lost an engine. They were lining up to do parallel runway ops and the cirrus blew through his final.
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Also, it seems like Alaska tour companies have a midair every few years. I can’t remember a specific accident, but I’m sure some of our most NW brethren can recall details.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
There was an ugly one in Ketchikan a few years back.
If there was to be a knee-jerk reaction (I say ironically knowing one is coming and it will be dumber than anything I can imagine), I think it should be mandating ADS-B In for all 121 pax operations. The situational awareness difference is amazing compared to TCAS. And if the FAA's serious about their emphasis on safety culture they should allow iPad ADS-B transmitters as at least an interim measure.
If it's the one I remember, one of the best all-around pilots I ever trained was killed in a midair with a Cub. Brand new Caravan with G1000 and active traffic against an airplane with no electrical system.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Two of our bases have towers but they close at 9pm, prior to the majority of our arrivals.. Since it’s one in, one out, the majority cancel IFR prior to landing so we don’t hold things up… IMO it’s waaay to dayum busy to be doing this, but most are comfortable doing it… The fact that we’re comfortable with this risk is a little scary.
ERfly
Well-Known Member
I believe he was tending to other duties (issuing a clearance or doing something similar) and didn't see they were lined up on the closed runway.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I get that aspect. But the recorders will be decoded only once? NTSB labs? Or will the military want em?
Pilot Fighter
Well-Known Member
Correct. Here’s the more verbose version:
Management had a handshake deal with the union that everybody was happy with. At that time in the morning, management would try to staff with two controllers but wouldn’t force a second controller to work, even if they had available hours.
The operation was legal with one operator and with low volume it made sense that the one controller handle all functions. There were no scheduled arrivals.
The handshake deal said that in the case of a single controller, the controller would split responsibilities with Indy. At 0600, it was less safe to split responsibilities and nobody did it if it didn’t make sense. Everybody was happy.
After the crash, the union misrepresented the deal and the press ran with it. The union was more vocal about staffing levels than its defense of its member that had no responsibility to monitor taxi and take-off roll.
Thus, my caution when there are reports that controller staffing was below normal. There are staffing levels that are suboptimal but legal.
Names Anika. I've been here for a long time under a different account. I don't understand the hostility. I was trying to contribute to the conversation.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
“The co-pilot had 500 flying hours, which is considered a "normal" amount of experience. Fox News is told the co-pilot was a woman. Both the instructor pilot in charge and the co-pilot were being evaluated during the flight, and were familiar with the area and route, Fox News is told.”
For the ex-Blackhawk pilots, it seems a min crew is 3 people?
In this case, the pilot is right seat, the check pilot is left seat, and the warrant officer guy is where? Like a 3rd jumpseat airline style?
Who’s checking who if 2 of the 3 onboard were being checked?
For the ex-Blackhawk pilots, it seems a min crew is 3 people?
In this case, the pilot is right seat, the check pilot is left seat, and the warrant officer guy is where? Like a 3rd jumpseat airline style?
Who’s checking who if 2 of the 3 onboard were being checked?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The hostility stems from the fact that like clockwork, after some kind of aviation disaster, "reporters" (but not really) seem to always show up and start asking gotcha questions so they can "quote" "pilots" for their "stories" (also known as clickbait listicles). The suspicion probably isn't always warranted, but it's happened enough times that people tend to get pretty defensive quickly.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Hi, Anika! *waves*. Maybe under whatever account you're using this week, you should contribute to threads which don't involve a bunch of people getting rapidly dead and/or evidence the most basic understanding of what you're talking about? Glad you're here!
Minimum crew on an Army Blackhawk is 2. Conditions like night, NVGs, terrain flight, sling loads, etc, can up the min crew to 3 or 4.
In this case, they had two pilots up front and an enlisted crew chief (non-pilot) in the back.
I can’t see how the news article you quoted has accurate information. A third pilot could evaluate from a crew chief seat in back but that’s usually only done for instrument check rides and it’s rare. It appears no third pilot was on board here.
And in Army blackhawks, left/right seat doesn’t matter. All pilots are qualified in both seats and the PIC decides who sits where.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Ah I see, thanks.
It was the front page article on Fox (at the moment at least):
DC plane crash disaster: Crew chief, 1 pilot of doomed Army Black Hawk helicopter identified
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth calls the deadly aircraft collision involving a Black Hawk and a civilian airliner "a tragedy" in a statement obtained exclusively by Fox News.
www.foxnews.com