You're trying your best to educate them, right? I think this is really the problem. Lots of guys are for the IBT, but they don't have any idea why. They just heard some Captain talking about how the IBT would represent them better because of some imaginary conflict of interest that ALPA would supposedly have, and without understanding any of it, the more junior guys just buy into that theory. These IBT guys are leading everyone else down a primrose path. They're going to be very disappointed with what they end up with with the IBT.You must not be in my pad, they're all about Teamsters up there. I don't think they know WHY they're for Teamsters, though.
And everyone else who knows ALPA is the only reliable solution.PCL and Surreal in 3.....2......1
Correct. The Teamsters left the AFL-CIO a couple of years ago, stiffing the AFL for over $7 million in back dues. A simple question for any IBT supporters at CJC: how can you trust a union to represent you when they can't even be trusted to pay their own debts?Further, I don't have the data. . .but the IBT is not part of the AFL-CIO because of an insane amount money they still owe.
How is the Teamsters working out for Horizon? Leading the regionals in pay, great benefits...ALPA. And if you don't believe me, ask a Horizon guy how the Teamsters are working out for them. After all, Colgan and Horizon are pretty comparable operations.
And, its no coincidence that the airline division of the Teamsters has lost two or three carriers recently either to ALPA or in house unions.
They lead the regionals in pay rates, but not in actual gross compensation. Not even close, actually. Their work rules are far inferior to those at ALPA carriers such as XJT and ASA. That's a problem with the IBT: they don't understand all of these little pilot contract nuances that increase gross pay. If you drive a truck for a living, then by all means, go with the IBT. If you drive a Q400 for a living, then get a real pilots' union.How is the Teamsters working out for Horizon? Leading the regionals in pay, great benefits...
Netjets was the big loss just a couple of weeks ago. They also lost Evergreen to ALPA last year. There might be others, but those are off the top of my head.And on a serious note, who has Teamsters lost lately? Seriously, I don't know...