Pilot to TSA: 'No Groping Me and No Naked Photos'

Boris Badenov said:
The problem is that everyone still acts as though there are only two political parties, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that there is really only one.
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Sad, but true. The two have just morphed into one party that just have varying degrees of left and right within it. What's the difference between a "right wing" Dem and a "left wing" Republican? I can't tell anymore.

I still say we just junk the party system altogether and have politicians run based on their own merit, accomplishments, ideals, ideas and programs. With the advent of the internet and 24/7 "news" channels, there's plenty of opportunities to get the word out.
 
SIUav8er said:
I just love the total inconsistency of TSA checkpoints at different airports.
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Yeah I find it funny how, when I'm flying back from BFE Alabama after visiting my parents, I get scrutinized for not putting all my liquids in the one quart plastic bag or whatever...and then when flying out of Reagan (only a few blocks from the white house) I just breeze through security :dunno:
 
kellwolf said:
Sad, but true. The two have just morphed into one party that just have varying degrees of left and right within it. What's the difference between a "right wing" Dem and a "left wing" Republican? I can't tell anymore.

I still say we just junk the party system altogether and have politicians run based on their own merit, accomplishments, ideals, ideas and programs. With the advent of the internet and 24/7 "news" channels, there's plenty of opportunities to get the word out.
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Both parties are despicable. Try living in California. I am writing in the name of one of my dogs for governor in November.
 
MikeD said:
Building on what's been already mentioned, my beef is with TSA as an organization, not the individual TSA screeners. While there are bad apples in TSA just as there are anywhere, the majority of TSA screeners I've dealt with have been pleasant and friendly.

That aside, my beef is with the creation of TSA as a whole post 9/11. Following the attacks, the creation of TSA was another knee-jerk reaction in order to give the masses the feeling of "security" on the airlines. The thing was, airline security did not fail on 9/11. The 9/11 hijackers got through security with items that, at the time, were allowed to be taken onboard and weren't a problem at all. Combine that with the (then) policy of complying with hijackers and their demands, and the recipe was set for the 9/11 hijackers success. I repeat, airport security did not fail in 9/11, therefore there was no need for creation of the TSA, or for the DHS for that matter. Now that this bureaucracy has been created though, its a snowball rolling downhill that keeps getting bigger and bigger, and it seemingly can't be turned around or turned off.

President Bush said on the day of and day after 9/11, that Americans need to (paraphrasing) "go on with their lives and not let terrorists change how we live". Unfortunately, the creation of these very agencies and the fact that people going to the airport are treated (procedurally) as if they're new inmates checking into San Quentin prison; and all the Bush remarked about regarding not letting the terrorists change how we live, has been just that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The terrorists and their leader Osama Bin Laden, won the War on Terror on 9/12/2001.

We just haven't figured that out yet.

"We have met the enemy, and he is us"

-- Walt Kelly, 1970
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:clap::clap::clap:

Thank you, why people can't figure this out is beyond me. I don't remember hearing about the terrorists smuggling guns or huge knives on board.
 
Friend of mine took a King Air into the Caribbean for a pre-buy inspection. Single pilot. So when he comes back EVERYONE is interested in him and the airplane. Scanners, sniffers, dogs, DEA, customs, everyone. He said it went on and on and on. Good for him as he has a sense of humor and said, "Hell, I was on the clock so time spent talking to those numbnuts was still pay hours."
 
Dealt with this EXACT scenario at PHX yesterday afternoon. Catching a non-rev trip on WN, I stupidly wandered into the line the had the backscatter. I advised the agent I would be declining the backscatter (Wearing my SIDA badge). He gives me this up and down look of "who does this guy think he is?" He then says (my favorite of the whole scenario....) "Well you don't have to decline it."
Umm, ok, but it's my right and I am. "Whatever" is his response, sighing indignitely. I go through and am advised I'll be getting a manual patdown. I politely decline and say I would prefer a hand wand and they are more then free to search all of my belongings that have passed without alarm through the belt x-ray. I'm then informed that since I have declined the backscatter, my only option is a manual patdown. I then ask the agent (who was very polite it should be noted) to speak to his supervisor (not as polite)
The overweight behemoth lumbers our way and very quickly tells me that it's either the manual patdown, backscatter, or no fly. I ask if the fact that I'm a SIDA badged, airside cleared employee means anything, he says no. I have him elaborate on why I cannot get a hand wand. He says that the purpose of both the backscatter and manual patdown is a search for organic material.
If the backscatter can search for organics, wow! Here I thought it was a peep show. As for the patdown, if I'm making bombs with "little ozziecat35" (Little not being a literal term here folks....:crazy:)then we have bigger issues.
Resigning myself to the fact that I needed to get to MDW yesterday, I went ahead with the pat down, asking the agent if he'd at least call me later or take me out to dinner...He stated he'd have to pat down my inner thigh with the back of his hand to the point of "restriction." Let's just say restriction was met, and moved over a bit...Flashbacks of my Class 1 Flight Physical leaped into my head and I immediately went to my safe place, steeling myself for the inevitable rubber glove snap that thankfully never came.
When all was said and done, as I was retrieving my belongings and wiping the tears of shame from my face, I was putting my laptop back into my old military issue ACU back back that my wife has sewn all my old unit patches and tabs on, and behemoth asks me if I served?

"Yep, though after this experience I feel a whole lot safer now...."


Filed a complaint card summarizing the above and question the fact that if the standard X-Ray was good enough for non-badged passengers, a SIDA badged employee should not have to deal with any of that...
 
Let's face it, guys. The manual pat down is there to intimidate people into not declining the backscatter. If you just had to walk through the metal detectors (which seem to have worked quite well so far), they'd never have anyone walking through their multi-million dollar toy.

Personally, I'll be declining every time until they release some sort of data about the long term radiation effects. Going through security on average 3-4 times a week being bombarded by this stuff? No thanks.
 
When I went through LAS the other day, I put my stuff on the belt x-ray and a body scanner and metal detector were right next to each other. I went through the detector instead and no questions were asked. Just went on my way.
 
Boris Badenov said:
The problem is that everyone still acts as though there are only two political parties, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that there is really only one.
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Exactly right. What choice do the American people really have for a President? (This or the other ?) Not that the President is the one who makes the decisions in this country anyway...

We need to take our government back. It's been hijacked.
 
z987k said:
The ACLU has a nice video on what you rights are during a traffic stop.
Do they have anything similar or at least a pamphlet on what your rights are at an airport. It seems as you are being detained at both... in fact the police have much less authority AFTER they witness you break a law then the TSA does while you've done nothing wrong.
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Bumping to see if there really is anything out there like this. I would love to know if the TSA is going above and beyond they're authority.

=J-
 
kellwolf said:
I still say we just junk the party system altogether and have politicians run based on their own merit, accomplishments, ideals, ideas and programs. With the advent of the internet and 24/7 "news" channels, there's plenty of opportunities to get the word out.
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:clap:

I'm voting anti-incumbent this year. I'm just getting so sick of the political class as a whole.

On topic, the TSA needs to be abolished. Like Mike said, security did not fail on 9/11. Now we have been saddled with yet another agency that has to go looking for things to do to justify its existence, which in this particular case is a VERY dangerous thing, given the power they have over the general public. Some of their proposed, and enacted, security measures on GA are proof enough of this.
 
Good for you man! I am in Nashville and we just got the darn things too! Fortunately the crew line doesnt have one yet! TSA is worthless. Just become an FFDO and you dont have to worry about anymore.
 
I let TSA grope me, and just act like Herbert from Family Guy.

While I'm being patted down for refusing the body scanner, "Oh, what's that growing in my pants? Guess it's another 6 weeks of winterrrr!"
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I let TSA grope me, and just act like Herbert from Family Guy.

While I'm being patted down for refusing the body scanner, "Oh, what's that growing in my pants? Guess it's another 6 weeks of winterrrr!"
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With all the metal in my shoulder I routinely get patted down. I was going to LAX a few weeks ago and the guy, as he is rubbing the wand down my inseam asks if there are parts of my body particularly sensitive to touch. I thought about saying, "you bet.. especially when put into someone's mouth" but I decided a few hours in LAX was not on my list of things to do.
 
N519AT said:
The story was on GMA this morning:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/pilot-refuses-full-body-scan-sees-rights-violation/story?id=11942279
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I find this quote very very disturbing, it was put out by the TSA.

"Crew members have access to sensitive areas of both airports and airplanes, making it necessary for all crew members to be subject to multiple layers of security. Anyone who refuses screening simply cannot be allowed to fly."

The way I'm reading this is, pilots, because they have access to the plane, should be placed under additional security and scrutiny. Maybe I took it the wrong way, but that's the way it comes across to me.

:insane:
 
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