Ayork62493
GBR
It’s all PIC
Pilot Pete leaving Delta...
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GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
I didn’t want to dump on his airline pilot fantasy, but yeah it’s pretty funny the stuff you think is cool when starting out. I love this job/career, but I sure do have a different viewpoint than when I was starting out.
Dogfighting by yourself and flying as a crew to JFK at 4am are two very distinct skillsets. But being good at one doesn't make you good at the other. And the stories don't change that.
Ayork62493
GBR
Thanks man, I remember you saying similar things as well. Hope you’re well!
Ever fly with former Army pilots? We’re just happy to be here and are usually thrilled to try to play civilian.
Yes. And that is the exact attitude with all y'all. It's almost apologetic for being in the seat
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I haven't experienced the mil guys at UPS yet, but the mil guys at Omni were very cool, in the aggregate (as were the civ types, I should add). I flew with a street C/A who had been a test pilot in the F-14, and a young guy (like 30s, this seems young to me now) who had been a U-2 pilot, and neither of them really talked about it unless directly asked. I think that stuff is cool as heck (since hell is presumably not at all cool), so I asked; But if I hadn't, I don't think they'd have said a word. I'm sure the guys who have a "my other car is an F-15" license plate holder on their Vette and look at civilian-trained guys like something they scraped off their shoe are out there, but so far I haven't met them. I realize that the mil/civ ratio is a lot higher at UPS, so maybe I will join you guys in the irritation-line eventually. Then again, maybe not, because, as I said, I happen to think that stuff is cool if the person who did it doesn't believe it makes them of Higher Stock.
To the hiring subject, to the extent that UPS is similar to a Legacy in being a "destination job", and that is obviously subject to one's personal preferences, in my class of I think 24 (something like that), there were two regional pilots. One obviously had a BIG "in", and the other checked a minority applicant box (I have zero problem with this and do not want to start some hideous APC dogwhistle pursefight, but it goes to the larger point) AND was an LCA. Two were HIGHLY experienced 91 guys with scads of types and I believe in both cases some management experience. The other 20 of us were either military, ACMI, or both. The moral being, at least from my perspective, that (at least apocryphally, in one class, at one airline) you might have to leave your safe place to get where you want to be. Take it for what it's worth, which is probably about what you paid for it.
To the hiring subject, to the extent that UPS is similar to a Legacy in being a "destination job", and that is obviously subject to one's personal preferences, in my class of I think 24 (something like that), there were two regional pilots. One obviously had a BIG "in", and the other checked a minority applicant box (I have zero problem with this and do not want to start some hideous APC dogwhistle pursefight, but it goes to the larger point) AND was an LCA. Two were HIGHLY experienced 91 guys with scads of types and I believe in both cases some management experience. The other 20 of us were either military, ACMI, or both. The moral being, at least from my perspective, that (at least apocryphally, in one class, at one airline) you might have to leave your safe place to get where you want to be. Take it for what it's worth, which is probably about what you paid for it.
Flyinthrew
Well-Known Member
FWIW I am a (newly former) single seat mil jet pilot, and I dislike fighter pilots, too. I think attack pilots exist to bring balance to the force.
You’ll probably want to avoid Huff Daland Dusters then...they do FAR and BIS overnights on the Bus
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It’s like anywhere else, there will be jerks for all walks of life and all backgrounds. Some of the civilian-backgrounds I fly with who don’t know me, when they find out I flew mil, I more often than not get the “well, I was seriously considering flying military but [insert excuse here of why they didn’t]…..”. And its like I really don’t care why you did or didn’t fly mil. Whatever career choice direction you made is up to you, and it apparently worked, because you’re here. The only important thing is, can you fly safely and effectively, and can we get along. That’s all I really care about.
Now….that said, that doesn’t mean I want to hear the 20th story in a row of “oh! And this one other other other time when I was at Moline, Ill in the Saab 340, there was this [insert Wx, pax, airplane, station, inept GA traffic, instrument approach, First Officer, hotel, chief pilot, fellow pilot, other competitor airline, other mainline airline, crap pay, lousy food restaurant, union stuff story]…….”
Now….that said, that doesn’t mean I want to hear the 20th story in a row of “oh! And this one other other other time when I was at Moline, Ill in the Saab 340, there was this [insert Wx, pax, airplane, station, inept GA traffic, instrument approach, First Officer, hotel, chief pilot, fellow pilot, other competitor airline, other mainline airline, crap pay, lousy food restaurant, union stuff story]…….”
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
So there we were, at the Hilton bar in PBI, and that's when the SAME DUDE walked in to the room! Can you believe that!? We should fly together, I've got some GREAT stories. And a huge watch.
Remember the scene in Airplane where Ted Striker keeps telling his life story to the people sitting in the window seats in the same row he’s in?
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Clean your shiz up. SkyWest Pilot Recruitment just emailed me. Say they're getting 8 more 175's to fly in your paint.
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What's your status
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
HIV- thank you for asking. But in relation to SKYW, I have 500 tt. I have to update my SKYW pilot advisor of my hours every three months. SKYW either bought or poured money into Southern Air Exp., so they have a time building option with them for their cadets. Allegedly. Allegedly.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
This does not always help.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
You got any experience to prove it?
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Ouch.