Pilot Pete leaving Delta...

This was/is me. I wouldn't say "zero" interest, but most certainly this is a job way before anything else.



True, but what about the shop that you work at? This a big deal. I will get to that below.



I don't know if I'm reading this right. Are you saying moving up the seniority list at the regional? I.e. homesteading?


This thread is awful similar to what has been going through my head lately. When I came to MN's own sun-on-the-tail airline, I didn't have the times to be competitive at any big name outfit, so it didn't matter. Then the virus and no hiring, so it didn't matter. Now, suddenly, that is all starting to change. And I have to start asking the hard questions that I didn't ask before. Waiting a year and a half+ to "take a look" at a new contract sounds less appealing. Compounding my dilemma is that I really haven't been able to decide where I want to live.

So here I sit with industry-lagging pay and work rules, yet I'm riding a wave to perfection.

As I said, there is a relatively narrow window where you can make it work, and probably not suffer any ill effects.

I know of people who made the jump from SWA to DAL, from AA to UAL, from NWA to DAL, from DAL to NWA, from UAL to DAL, from DAL to FDX, from UPS to NWA and all other possible permutations. Generally these pilots had a LOT of hiring horsepower, such as former military, and they had multiple applications in that just happened to trigger at different times. They lost maybe 6 months to a year of longevity, so it didn't really affect them too too much. Or they decided that a certain carrier had a more suitable/lucrative flying. I know several that bailed to go to FDX. But it wasn't like they sat somewhere for 3 years, THEN decided to toss their apps in somewhere else.

This is one of those situations where you HAVE to be ahead of the curve otherwise your chances of screwing up your program are much higher. It's like buying that house in a trendy neighborhood before it becomes trendy. If you try to get in after the fact, you're probably going to take a beating.

3 years is a lifetime in airline hiring. It makes all the difference between good times and bad. Guys hired late 95 at NWA did BETTER than DOH at DAL, and are riding high on the seniority list. Those hired in 98 and later, much less so. Those hired at the beginning of 98 made Captain, those at the end got furloughed.

If you are making this jump at the middle or end of the hiring wave, you are probably NOT going to be satisfied with the result, unless you have overwhelming financial or domicile reasons for doing so. Because hiring peaks and valleys at major airlines tend to be offset a little bit, you can really hose yourself if you make the wrong jump.

Even domiciles come and go. Make the jump to another place to a SMALL domicile, and you will probably be disappointed when it closes. If you jump to someplace because they fly a certain airplane or to a certain region, you can be equally disappointed.

This is one of those situations that I used to watch on the old Doctor wannabe forums. Some person would post about their HIGHLY unlikely set of circumstances that allowed them to go and be successful at medical school after 35 (rich parents, wealthy spouse, insane MCAT score because they taught the test for 10 years, etc), and all of a sudden it became "XXX did it, and so anyone can do it", without recognizing any of the highly specific parameters that made it possible, let alone practical.
 
This was/is me. I wouldn't say "zero" interest, but most certainly this is a job way before anything else.



True, but what about the shop that you work at? This a big deal. I will get to that below.



I don't know if I'm reading this right. Are you saying moving up the seniority list at the regional? I.e. homesteading?


This thread is awful similar to what has been going through my head lately. When I came to MN's own sun-on-the-tail airline, I didn't have the times to be competitive at any big name outfit, so it didn't matter. Then the virus and no hiring, so it didn't matter. Now, suddenly, that is all starting to change. And I have to start asking the hard questions that I didn't ask before. Waiting a year and a half+ to "take a look" at a new contract sounds less appealing. Compounding my dilemma is that I really haven't been able to decide where I want to live.

So here I sit with industry-lagging pay and work rules, yet I'm riding a wave to perfection.
I was being sarcastic to the people who think moving on to an LCC hurts their chances vs being a regional captain in the feeder system. If my class and interview group was any indication, staying in the regionals and doing nothing to move up your career isn't giving you better odds. But I'm not sure I'm not in the hiring department.
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.
 
I understand that completely. Would you quit a job at American or FedEx to start over at United, though?
Pilot Pete didn't quit American or FedEx to start over at United though

Maybe he didn't like where he was. Maybe he was concerned about developing bold spots due to headwear. Whatever his reasoning was, good for him he's doing what he wants to.
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.

Better to be lucky than good. Buy a rabbit’s foot.

Said in half jest. I feel your angst.
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.
I've followed you on here for a lot of advice when I was new at Skywest. If there's anything I can do to help, PM me. I know there's a lot of luck and timing in this industry but head up. Hopefully some good will come of the grind soon.
 
I've followed you on here for a lot of advice when I was new at Skywest. If there's anything I can do to help, PM me. I know there's a lot of luck and timing in this industry but head up. Hopefully some good will come of the grind soon.
Thanks man. I haven’t had a bad run or anything last six years at SkyWest but I desperately do not want to spend another winter in North Dakota. The thought of another 35 hour overnight in Devils Lakes in January sends chills down my spine. I’ve had friends get the invite to interview at my “dream” job recently so there’s hope, I just don’t know what I’m missing.
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.
But did your dad work at United?
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.

I absolutely get it man. It’s so frustrating and doesn’t seem fair when you see this stuff. Just a few years ago I was saying almost word for word what you’re saying. You’re a sharp guy and are doing all the right stuff. You WILL get your shot and I bet it will be soon.
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.

I don’t want to come off as entitled, but like most.. I’ve busted my rear end to get where I am and while I’m grateful for the opportunities, sometimes it’s just rough to see.

Thanks man. I haven’t had a bad run or anything last six years at SkyWest but I desperately do not want to spend another winter in North Dakota. The thought of another 35 hour overnight in Devils Lakes in January sends chills down my spine. I’ve had friends get the invite to interview at my “dream” job recently so there’s hope, I just don’t know what I’m missing.

Are you also building PIC time at your regional? Or SIC?
 
I’m just bitter this guy has been hired by two legacies but this regional LCA with the masters degree and most boxes checked can’t get an interview with F9 or Spirit. (Yes I know they just started hiring again but I’m still slightly peeved. Maybe I just need to post more cringeworthy stories on the Instagram.



Was supposed to be sarcasm, but then I realized how true it is.
 
I understand that completely. Would you quit a job at American or FedEx to start over at United, though?
Well for me personally, I want to live in the Bay Area my whole life sans any time away I need to spend early in my career (regionals, FAA ATC, whatever). So American, yes for sure if I ended up there and I later found a way to UA in 3-4 years like Pete, in a heart beat. Same goes for leaving any legacy/major except for DL (I spent summers growing up in MSP and flew on Northwest all the time, DL would also be special to me) for Southwest if they still had a junior large OAK base. FedEx, no, I would not leave FedEx 3-4 years in because even though cargo flying itself doesn't appeal to me, that paycheck and retirement along with an OAK base flying with guys who did badass military flying with great stories would be really stupid to give up.

That's my thought process. I get what he did. He's from SoCal, both airlines have big LAX bases that probably aren't going anywhere. If he was there 10 years, I'd say it's dumb, but he wasn't there long enough that I think it matters much. If I was him and DL had no kind of connection to me beyond being a fantastic job\paycheck and UA could give me that plus fulfill me in a sense, I'd have done it, too.
 
Well for me personally, I want to live in the Bay Area my whole life sans any time away I need to spend early in my career (regionals, FAA ATC, whatever). So American, yes for sure if I ended up there and I later found a way to UA in 3-4 years like Pete, in a heart beat. Same goes for leaving any legacy/major except for DL (I spent summers growing up in MSP and flew on Northwest all the time, DL would also be special to me) for Southwest if they still had a junior large OAK base. FedEx, no, I would not leave FedEx 3-4 years in because even though cargo flying itself doesn't appeal to me, that paycheck and retirement along with an OAK base flying with guys who did badass military flying with great stories would be really stupid to give up.

That's my thought process. I get what he did. He's from SoCal, both airlines have big LAX bases that probably aren't going anywhere. If he was there 10 years, I'd say it's dumb, but he wasn't there long enough that I think it matters much. If I was him and DL had no kind of connection to me beyond being a fantastic job\paycheck and UA could give me that plus fulfill me in a sense, I'd have done it, too.

I always say that if I was younger say late 20's early 30's, yeah it'd be UA for me in a heartbeat, due to westcoast bases and the flying. But also don't count DL out. Live in SFO and commute to nearby bases like SLC, LAX or SEA. If you could hold those bases. But SFO being a junior base for UA. I get it. Go for it.
 
The ugly truth about this job is to get the quals to make it to the show is essentially a box checking exercise.

To actually GET to the show is almost entirely luck.

True, we all make our own luck to some extent, if you consider ‘luck’ a long series of correct micro-decisions, but a huge amount is pure random chance. Right place, right time.
 
Meh... the closet racists who think that because I am the same color as them that I actually want to hear their drivel is a bit worse than "RawDawg" telling me the same Tailhook story for the third time
Yea I mean I encounter the racist • alot less than the callsigns and the shooting of watches. When I fly with someone else pure civilian it's like comfort food.
 
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