Pilatus with 7 Aboard Down Off The Coast of NC

ppragman said:
207 for the win. That airplane was damn near neutrally stable at the aft end of the envelope.

The scare-akee and the Navajo were spooky, but nothing like the sled... and guys were flying it like that professionally day after day (smh)
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Welllll at least with the sled tipping on its tail you knew. The Cherokee you had to know the airplane because you could load it a mile past the aft edge and it still sat up.
 
Roger Roger said:
Welllll at least with the sled tipping on its tail you knew. The Cherokee you had to know the airplane because you could load it a mile past the aft edge and it still sat up.
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I love how in pretty much every one of these airplanes the limits for the nose baggage and the wing lockers were like the "pirates code" - just guidelines.

I watched a dude put like 8 marine batteries in the nose baggage of a sled once - it was amazing. It was probably the most stable 207 ever flown.
 
Box hauler said:
I personally don’t see it, could be wrong. Maybe the pilot pitched up super steep to excite his pax and ran out of energy?
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FlyingAccountant said:
Kinda looks like that. It looks like he was heading south down the coast line(for sightseeing?) instead of flying due west to his destination. Maybe he was showing off a bit while sightseeing and something went sideways? Dunno.
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CFI A&P said:
CG shift is a major problem, if it is large enough relative to the equipment size. The 747 at Bagram comes to mind. 6 people at say 150lbs, is a 900 pound shift which in an 757 may won't impact CG, but the PC12 is a much smaller envelope.
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I think you guys are overthinking this. He was flying VFR into an airport reporting 900' overcast. The airplane starts maneuvering as it approaches a line of rain. The airplane starts a tight right turn, followed immediately by a tight left turn with a steep climb, in the final 20 seconds the airplane is in a 7,000fpm descent and its heading rotates 180*. Spatial disorientation happens, even in the best equipment.

Alex.
 
CK said:
I think you guys are overthinking this. He was flying VFR into an airport reporting 900' overcast. The airplane starts maneuvering as it approaches a line of rain. The airplane starts a tight right turn, followed immediately by a tight left turn with a steep climb, in the final 20 seconds the airplane is in a 7,000fpm descent and its heading rotates 180*. Spatial disorientation happens, even in the best equipment.

Alex.
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I'm inclined to agree with this take.
 
ppragman said:
I love how in pretty much every one of these airplanes the limits for the nose baggage and the wing lockers were like the "pirates code" - just guidelines.

I watched a dude put like 8 marine batteries in the nose baggage of a sled once - it was amazing. It was probably the most stable 207 ever flown.
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Wellll you would have to be pretty lucky with the freight/baggage to find stuff that would be even close to maxing the wings in the Navajo and actually fit. But yeah if you knew you were going to be heavy the nose weight was more of a minimum than a limit.
 
This image was posted on FB yesterday at 9:59 a.m., which I’ve cropped. I assume it’s from the outbound flight. What does the panel indicate?
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Roger Roger said:
Wellll you would have to be pretty lucky with the freight/baggage to find stuff that would be even close to maxing the wings in the Navajo and actually fit. But yeah if you knew you were going to be heavy the nose weight was more of a minimum than a limit.
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Did you have the Nyac tanks? In the one where we had the Nyac tank it was pretty easy to overload the nacelles, in the one where you could put 150 per side I could only get close to that weight with canned goods.

The Navajo nose baggage on the other hand
 
What’s truly amazing to me is caravan pod weights. I have personally seen a guy put well over two times the limited pod weight (limit is 1080), load the airplane full of villagers, top the mains, and blast off…

It is terrifying that this was basically industry standard for awhile up here.
 
CK said:
I think you guys are overthinking this. He was flying VFR into an airport reporting 900' overcast. The airplane starts maneuvering as it approaches a line of rain. The airplane starts a tight right turn, followed immediately by a tight left turn with a steep climb, in the final 20 seconds the airplane is in a 7,000fpm descent and its heading rotates 180*. Spatial disorientation happens, even in the best equipment.

Alex.
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Yeah, and from the metars it seems like it was pretty consistently less than 1000’ ceiling as well.

This sucks. My wife came home taking about it before I could tell her because she grew up with some members of some of the families involved and her “back home” network has been going nuts. The plane was flying into Beaufort (MHC) but a lot of the folks on board were from “down east”—the more sparsely populated area of eastern Carteret County to the east of Beaufort/Morehead City. Losing kids like this is hitting that community really hard.
 
zmiller4 said:
This sucks. My wife came home taking about it before I could tell her because she grew up with some members of some of the families involved and her “back home” network has been going nuts. The plane was flying into Beaufort (MHC) but a lot of the folks on board were from “down east”—the more sparsely populated area of eastern Carteret County to the east of Beaufort/Morehead City. Losing kids like this is hitting that community really hard.
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In that respect it sounds a lot like the PC-12 crash in SD a couple years back. Which was, no intended slander to the victims, a stupid • crash.
 
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