Phraseology Nazis

dustoff17 said:
It's absolutely wrong to have an argument over the radio but there's a big difference between this:



And this:
"Traffic in the area please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition". - AIM

Even if I ONLY use this as "guidance", there's no grey area in the words "should not be used under any condition".
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The guy who snapped at the other pilot for using the phrase had , 5 minutes earlier, nearly killed me. A case of the hypocriticles.

I had just taken off on the appropriate runway for the winds when he calls up 2 mile final (opposite runway). Awesome right?*sarcasm* I announce my position and begin searching for him, lo and behold he is maybe 100 feet below me.

c182 calls up and mutters the phrase.
Suicide pilot calls up and starts to yell at the guy, f-bombs included.
c182 says he isn't one to talk having called a 2 mile final in an airplane that does 150 kts cruise.
suicide pilot is silent.

i thought it was funny
 
Doing the annual Christmas Day flight with the wife and son:

Us: "Ok City Departure Merry Christmas, Nine Nine Delta climbing two thousand, two-forty the heading."
Them: "CessnaNineNineDeltaMerryChristmasradarcontactsayintentions."

Works just fine around here, home of the FAA Academy.
 
Chief Captain said:
I'm not going to be popular for saying this but here it goes anyway...

Why is there a problem when somebody is corrected? Why is that second pilot a d-bag or nazi for correcting somebody else? That part in bold is exactly why FAA pilots are known worldwide for having the worst RT. It's probably why the SWA pilot said it in the first place too...
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It was you, wasn't it?
 
So is it considered improper to start your first call at an uncontrolled with "Breaker one nine" or to request traffic report in with "Where you at rubber ducky?"
 
A150K said:
Hey, atleast he reads the FAR/AIM. I know of one weekend warrior who flys with charts from 1999. Seriosly though, incorrect phraseology does not bother me as much as hogging airtime does. And I try to be as by the book as practical. When departing a busy field all the controller really needs to hear is the who, where, what do you want rule, "ABQ ground, cessna 1234 at cutter taxi with delta (assuming he already contacted CD like the ATIS always says)", not " ABQ ground errr uhhhh cessna 123 suggah pop is by some chevron sign requesting a taxi with errrrrrr uhhhhhhhhhhh derrrr zuu eer zulu and uhhh we'll be goin to T or C for some green chili burgers and errrrr you will give me flight following uhhhhhhh over." Same goes for the SAF (or ABQ?) based Netjets guy who always seems to take 3 tries to read back his clearance (No CD freq up in SAF). It's not just the pilots either, there is one particular controller in SAF who really loves the sound of his own voice...
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LOL. Oh no!!!
 
Dear Phraseology Experts,

I will be flying domestic legs this week. I will take great latitude in speaking with individuals that have English as their primary language. My calls will be concise and communicate everything I need.

However, I may advise you to buy a 200 sheet college ruled book so you may point out all of my errors next week.

Thanks for your time and interest.
 
You'll take great latitude??? Ahem, one gives, as in bestows...

As I am possessed of a perfect memory, I don't need 200 sheets of college ruled. It is a great suggestion though...for the lesser and the unwashed.
 
I usually don't get too worked up over people messing up radio transmissions as I'm very low time and likely mess them up myself. But I'm watching the Sporty's IFR DVDs and the teacher is driving me nuts! The tail number is Four Zero romeo charlie so every time he makes a transmission he says Forty Are See.. then reads back his info.

ATC: Zero Romeo Charlie turn right heading one seven zero
0RC: Forty Are See roger, one seventy on the heading.

And this guy is supposed to be teaching good IFR habits...
 
dustoff17 said:
"Negative Contact" and "Traffic in Sight" not any more difficult to say than six thousand, five hundred but then again it's not nearly as COOL as "Six point five", "Lookin'", or "Got 'em on the fish finder".
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"Six point five" and "fish finder" don't make you sound cool, they just make it obvious nobody taught you how to use a radio, and so you sound retarded.

On the topic of TCAS, my understanding is that saying "tfc on the tcas" doesn't help atc, as they can't base their separation on what's on your tcas. Hoping one of the ATC folks here can say if that's true or not.
 
Chief Captain said:
"Six point five" and "fish finder" don't make you sound cool, they just make it obvious nobody taught you how to use a radio, and so you sound retarded.

On the topic of TCAS, my understanding is that saying "tfc on the tcas" doesn't help atc, as they can't base their separation on what's on your tcas. Hoping one of the ATC folks here can say if that's true or not.
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Funny you talk about people being retarded, while being unsure about what separation minimums ATC uses when you let them know that you have traffic on the TCAS.

You happen to be correct, the irony is hilarious.
 
pilot1278 said:
It was probably some weekend warrior on flight following. One of the types who spends all week with his nose in the FAR/AIM and only flies one hour per month. There's a bunch of those up here hoggin up the air to air and CTAFs during the summer. I just ignore them.
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Doubt it was a weekend warrior. The weekend warriors i've experienced are more likely to be the ones who say "twenny five an a quarter in the talker, twelve fourteen in the squawker".
 
jtrain609 said:
Funny you talk about people being retarded, while being unsure about what separation minimums ATC uses when you let them know that you have traffic on the TCAS.

You happen to be correct, the irony is hilarious.
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So let me get this straight- I was indeed taught the correct thing (as it turns out), but because I admit that I may be imperfect and seek clarification from those in the know, there's something wrong? Heaven forbid you should be unsure of something one day...
 
TWP said:
"any traffic in the area please advise"

Ive personally heard this phrase start a 5 minute argument on the radio :insane:
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There's a pilot around here who will often tell people over the CTAF to read AIM 4-1-9(g)(1) in response to that... as she enters the pattern on a left base...
 
The thing wrong is your high horse while invoking retarded. You say without a shadow of a doubt you're right about one thing, but in the next breath admit you don't know everything.

In truth, you likely don't know everything, but talk as if you do. It's just funny to me, that's all.

I recommend you get on board with my attitude; I'm right all the time about everything. Even my wife agrees.
 
mikecweb said:
The thing I hate about guys with "pet peeves" about phraseology is they have a certain thing that gets their goat but they make mistakes all the time as well. If I'm EVER corrected in the cockpit that person better speak as if there were reading from the 7110.65. Yeah it may be annoying to you but try flying into an uncontrolled airport you've never been to in a jet and you see TCAS targets but no one is talking. I don't care if it is or isn't in the AIM I'm going to ask in one form or fashion if there is any traffic. That might chap your ass if you've been in the pattern bombing around in a 172 for the past hour but I don't want to rely on sugar pop making his "left final" call I want the big picture on where the traffic is so I can plan accordingly. Relying on the AIM to dictate how you fly is ridiculous. It's a guide and it's a great resource but some people think that if it's not in the AIM you can't do it.
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Read this, then re-read it, and if you have any doubts, read it again. I'm tired of hearing about improper radio phraseology and then the person complaining doesn't use the proper numeral phraseology ie "tree" & "fife".
 
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