TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
I heard Shirley Q Liquor on 123.45 today. What an unprofessional twit that one is.
Phraseology Nazis
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Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
Hahaha, awesome.
sfgiants13
Well-Known Member
Haha that just made my day. That is awesome. But I say what the guy says pretty much every time and haven't had a nazi correct me yet. And when I do get corrected I'll probably go ape on the guy.
stesta5074
Well-Known Member
The controller who angrily said I was supposed to ask for a fast taxi down the runway instead of a high speed taxi.
Chief Captain
Well-Known Member
OK, I'll put on my "Devil's Advocate" hat...
Are you saying that because he's been doing it for 10-20 years means it's ok? It simply means that he's been doing it incorrectly for all that time. Doesn't change the fact that his phraseology is bad.
Chief Captain
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Nick
Well-Known Member
No, I never said it was okay (although 'six and a half' really isn't a bid deal either).
No matter how incorrect it is though, it is not the job of other pilots to get on the frequency and correct it.
For all the phraseology nazi knows, the SWA guy was distracted by a call from the cabin and is about to declare a medical emergency to come back to the field, and now he has to wait for his AIM lecture to finish first. It's just asanine to use airtime to correct someone when you don't have the whole picture.
Alchemy
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EMB-145
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
For a lot of the AIM stuff this is probably the one I actually don't like to here. I wont correct people over the air but I do mention the AIM to my students. If the FAA recommends that we don't say it, then there is probably a good reason not to say it.
The rest of the phraseology was designed to help people understand what is being said. Proper phraseology should be used in heavy international areas. Just listening to my international students try to use improper phraseology is a great example of this. Just the simple word "yes" over the radio has been translated on the other side as many differen't words (including the word "no") and the word "affirmative" clears up the problem. Proper phrasology has its place, but american pilot to american controller typically wont be a problem if non-standard phases are used.
I bet he even said "Kilo" before the airport code.
As Midlife, myself, and others have said; it's bad to use wrong phraseology yes, but WORSE to garbage up the airtime correcting it. Its also out of line.......it's NOT YOUR frequency, it belongs to the controlling agency. If THAT controller wants to correct him, then that's HIS choice.
It's just as annoying as in my mil days when I'd get some idiot checking in on the frequency I'm working, then attempt to authenticate me with a codeword. It's MY net, I do the authentications of whoever comes on MY freq, NOT the other way around. And the same thing applies elsewhere.
There's your answers.
A150K
Well-Known Member
Wasn't me, so some guy at WN with a 737 type rating he paid for is in trouble
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A150K
Well-Known Member
What's wrong with saying looking for traffic? I say the reccomended "negative contact" , but I don't see anthing wrong with saying looking for traffic. Now Any traffic in the area please advise, I hate.
trafficinsight
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Winglet
Well-Known Member
My BIGGEST radio pet peve is the all too common:
"Montgomery Traffic, Cherokee ABC123, Clear of the Active"
"Montgomery Traffic, Cherokee ABC123, taking the Active"
Well good for you Mr. "I want to sound cool and use lingo" Man. Well done.
But what, pray tell, IS the active and furthermore, WHERE exactly and you TAKING it?
I am going to need that active so you better damn well put it back where you found it!
For a pilot just coming on frequency, especially student pilots and ESPECIALLY at multiple runway airports there could be any combinations of actives because we as pilot make our own decision. We would like to all use the same runway but if all you say is "The Active" we have no clue what you are talking about and leaves the rest of us guessing.
What if you are "taking the active for departure" and you are using runway 18 but I am on final to "The Active" too, but my active is runway 36. I am sure that you and I will see eye to eye right before we collide.
Would it kill you to use a runway number?
Now i'm all worked up... :laff:
"Montgomery Traffic, Cherokee ABC123, Clear of the Active"
"Montgomery Traffic, Cherokee ABC123, taking the Active"
Well good for you Mr. "I want to sound cool and use lingo" Man. Well done.
But what, pray tell, IS the active and furthermore, WHERE exactly and you TAKING it?
I am going to need that active so you better damn well put it back where you found it!
For a pilot just coming on frequency, especially student pilots and ESPECIALLY at multiple runway airports there could be any combinations of actives because we as pilot make our own decision. We would like to all use the same runway but if all you say is "The Active" we have no clue what you are talking about and leaves the rest of us guessing.
What if you are "taking the active for departure" and you are using runway 18 but I am on final to "The Active" too, but my active is runway 36. I am sure that you and I will see eye to eye right before we collide.
Would it kill you to use a runway number?
Now i'm all worked up... :laff:
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I actually wait to call Center until I can say "whatever and a half climbing whatever". It makes me happy to think of all the stress-veins bulging. Because I hate you all.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Not improper phraseology, but this wastes a ton of air time with ATC and annoys the crap out of me. There is a really timid sound pilot always flying at SQL and other Bay Area airports who starts(and usually ends) every call with huge pauses. Sometimes he even pauses between words. He sounds so unsure of himself it scares the crap out of me, but seeing as he's usually in 182s and stuff I doubt he's a student.
Tool: ".....................................Tower Cessna 123 3 mile final........."
ATC: "Cessna 123 cleared to land 30 number 1"
Tool: ".............Cleared to land....................30..................Cessna 123...."
ATC: "Cessna 123 where will you be parking today?"
Tool: "....................transient..........Cessna 123."
Seriously, whenever I'm flying around here and for a few seconds all I hear on ATC is an ambient cockpit sound, I know he's going to talk.
I swear if I ever happen to hear him talking on the phone in the mall or something and recognize his voice, I'm going to slap him.
Tool: ".....................................Tower Cessna 123 3 mile final........."
ATC: "Cessna 123 cleared to land 30 number 1"
Tool: ".............Cleared to land....................30..................Cessna 123...."
ATC: "Cessna 123 where will you be parking today?"
Tool: "....................transient..........Cessna 123."
Seriously, whenever I'm flying around here and for a few seconds all I hear on ATC is an ambient cockpit sound, I know he's going to talk.
I swear if I ever happen to hear him talking on the phone in the mall or something and recognize his voice, I'm going to slap him.
+1. Well said. Is "slang" unprofessional? Yes. But pointing out another pilot's unprofessional behavior by partaking in some of your own is worse - in my humble opinion.
While the AIM and it's six thousand five hundred vs six and a half is not regulatory in nature - this is:
2-4-5. AUTHORIZED TRANSMISSIONS
Transmit only those messages necessary for air traffic control or otherwise contributing to air safety.
REFERENCE-
FAAO JO 7210.3, Para 3-2-2, Authorized Messages Not Directly Associated with Air Traffic Services.
