Oh United (tail strike version)
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Minuteman
“Dongola”
Gonna quote @jtrain609 here:
“It’s called a job because you have to do it even when you don’t feel like it.”
“It’s called a job because you have to do it even when you don’t feel like it.”
Snap! I've been hearing a lot lately about airline pilots threatening to "strike", 'cause dey so po. I had no idea they were talkin' 'bout dis kinda OG "Stee-Rike!"How easy is it to thunk the tail on takeoff in a 757-300?
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Serious airline skilz! Keepin' it reeeeeal!
Sweet! Nice slick landin' strip. Eeeez Niiiiice!
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Do fun things with people you like working with is what I live by. But that means you end up with a lot of CFLY/PFLY on your schedule, ha!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I think I just assumed most people enter this career as a passion for flying. I can’t imagine doing this career with a feeling of “meh it’s just a job that pays bills.”
Had a FO who was into sailing. Completely passionate and an instructor, also looking to get a bigger sailboat and teach others how to sail in his own boat. After our trip, he said “how flying is to you, sailing is to me.”
If I’m off for 6-7 days, I look forward to the next trip. I literally feel on cloud 9. This is everything I thought it would be.
I hope this feeling doesn’t go away and I think it’s just a chore to do in order to make money.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I’m the opposite. I entered this job to fly. Doing a committee work would take me away with that, involve ALPA training in DC, and then Flight Loss Pay off trips while I do that committee work. All that would take me away from actual flying. That’s why I’m not on any committee.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
You assume lots of things... amazingly you are pretty consistently wrong about them.
It also gives you less days off, less pay, less control of your schedule, more interruptions of family time, and more pilots that hate you (depending on what you do for the union).
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Don't hate on those guys just because your plane is too small to physically hit the tail and not the wheels.
Meh, I've flown big and small. Never bent metal or hurt anyone in either category. I'd MUCH rather fly small.
If somebody paid me a "real" pilot salary to bash about in a Husky or a Carbon Cub flying into and out of Idaho canyons, that would be my job of choice in a New York minute. That is the only flying that is really, you know, flying. I could train a monkey to push A/P buttons and run checklists.
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bimmerphile
Sidestick Wiggler
thats the only ‘real flying’ you can think of? a sport where you live out cowboy fantasy and ride a one wheel around the fbo?
not like medevac in a lear or cape air pilots flogging 402s in ice or doing magdet in a 310 or cloud seeding in a clapped out seneca?
I cant wait for the next version of GPT so this bot gets more creative
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
If you can train a monkey to rotate to less than 8.9 degrees on liftoff you might actually get paid enough money to go fly around in a cub.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
If I’m off for 6-7 days, I look forward to the next trip. I literally feel on cloud 9. This is everything I thought it would be.
I hope this feeling doesn’t go away and I think it’s just a chore to do in order to make money.
I can agree with this. I've done a few short blocks of mil leave since I consolidated, and I (kinda surprisingly to me) end up missing it. It isn't flying upside down or pulling a bunch of G's fighting another jet, but I'm starting to get to an age where I can only do that stuff here and there. I instructed 6 BFM (aka dogfighting) flights in 3 days (in a row) last week, briefing the first event at 0600 each day (0400 home/west coast/internal clock time), and was done with my last debrief around 1800 or so. At the end of day 3, I was spent beyond words. 10 years ago, I had weeks like that and they were never a big deal. But that's like 30 dogfights, mostly somewhere between 4-7G, a good couple minutes each, in that much time. Although that stuff is still fun of course, but I appreciate the chill, stress free, shirtsleeve flying environment of the airliner more and more.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
What are these FO's doing to distinguish themselves so incredibly? Somewhat related sidenote, I'm sure you saw the numbers relating to recent training attrition. That kind of blew my mind as well. I don't say that as if it is a bad thing, it certainly isn't, if folks aren't meeting the bar, but thats wild.
Baronman
Well-Known Member
I thought the “ if I see him again, I’m calling to get him removed” comment was interesting.
Scheduling def can‘t do that, and I’d say 90% of Chief Pilots would say “ you’re a big boy deal with it and if you can’t you need to take yourself off the trip…”
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I just see a whole lot of assumptions in your comments that weren’t in his actual post.
No, I get what he's saying. There's one VX CA that I've flown with many times and respect. When I was a FO, he said to me "I wish I had your passion for this."
I am saddened reading about your lack of passion - I would have never guessed it. From your work to your volunteerism at ALPA, I would have thought you were very passionate about this job. I feel sorry if you didn't have that and/or have lost that.
The desire to help your fellow pilots is not linked to an actual love of flying. I got into aviation because of a passion for it from a very young age, but that had nothing to do with why I did union work.
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
First, I have some concern that you're okay since I didn't get a laugh emoji response. Secondly, it is always the jump to conclusions mat over there with the same two broken record outcomes - either low time pilots are the issue or training, and with the second of those two - never misses the opportunity to tout their own training history. In the last 100+ years we have figured out many ways to crash airplanes, and sometimes we even come up with new ways. New ways which we should discuss, and learn from as the old 'pilot error' isn't concise enough to explain an event like Windsor 114 or Pacific SW 182. Human factors is quite fascinating, and could be something to learn from. Such as Alaska's recent tailstrikes, in the old mentality it would be chalked up as pilot error or a technical fault (as they say in other parts of the world) and end of discussion. When in reality it was determined to be pilots did what the FMGC told them to do that resulted in the over rotation. Bad data + correct procedures = error.
EIR
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
This. I don't think anyone believes him/her/troll.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
While there are lots of ways to crash planes, over the last couple decades, it seems almost exclusively to come from from pilots with low experience or a record of terrible training performance.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Pretty damn sure this has been explained multiple times. Bad pilots can not be protected by unions as long as the company follows the proper process for termination.
