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I am very, very specifically referring to US ATC. (And Canada, though I have less experience there)Try China. Pepsi Challenge!
I am very, very specifically referring to US ATC. (And Canada, though I have less experience there)Try China. Pepsi Challenge!
The problem with this is you brief it, it changes, yeah you talked about it at the gate but you need a couple seconds to make sure the plane is going to do what you briefed 30 minutes ago. There’s a checklist to go through at my place. You can physically make the changes in about 45 seconds but you can’t do the checklist and actually read and verify stuff on it in that time.You don’t “skip” anything. It was briefed and covered in the considerations part of the brief. You still change everything, verify it’s correct, and run the runway change triangle items.
Expectation bias is a biiiiiich.If an ATIS tells me to brief two different runways, it can pound sand. I will get numbers for both runways and be prepared for a runway change. But I will only brief one runway at a time.
This thread is bonkers.
Starts with a guy with a serious DAL hate boner who somehow through obsessive anti-Delta googling found an ATC clip in which…basically nothing happens.
No loss of separation, no one almost died.
I get that the controller was trying to get as many planes out as efficiently as possible. But that doesn’t always work. And her attitude kind of sucked.
It reminds me of a flight into SLC where center left us at 300 with “anticipate Xxxx at 250 and XXXXXft”. We acknowledged with “we’ll do our best to be ready” and slowed as much as we felt comfortable with.
When we got the descent clearance, it was going to be a 4500’/min requirement, and within 30s I told the controller we were unable to make the crossing and speed. He got pissed.
Sorry my dude, physics sometimes dictates.
This thread is bonkers.
Starts with a guy with a serious DAL hate boner who somehow through obsessive anti-Delta googling found an ATC clip in which…basically nothing happens.
No loss of separation, no one almost died.
I get that the controller was trying to get as many planes out as efficiently as possible. But that doesn’t always work. And her attitude kind of sucked.
It reminds me of a flight into SLC where center left us at 300 with “anticipate Xxxx at 250 and XXXXXft”. We acknowledged with “we’ll do our best to be ready” and slowed as much as we felt comfortable with.
When we got the descent clearance, it was going to be a 4500’/min requirement, and within 30s I told the controller we were unable to make the crossing and speed. He got pissed.
Sorry my dude, physics sometimes dictates.
Her attitude seemed fine until Delta decided to give an unnecessary snark comment.
Her attitude seemed fine until Delta decided to give an unnecessary snark comment.
If you’re keeping score, which is silly, she led with the snark.
GMAFB. Although I do find fault with the Delta crew for accepting a line up and wait clearance, and for the CA for making a remark, due to a miscommunication they thought they had 5 mins. Who cares if they said 2 mins, she said 5 and unfortunately that is what they were basing it on. Just shut your month and move on. Nothing good comes from losing your temper.1L/1R are closed.
The ATIS clearly says get runway numbers and brief for both 28L and 28R.
Delta DID only ask for 2 minutes.
And then the Delta pilots proceed to be, well, Delta.
Controller is 100% right.
Good on her for chewing out Delta. Sometimes, that's exactly what's needed with type A personalities.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZzBTZctiAg
Especially in SFO. You know they’ve got QA looking at them more closely with the incursions over the least couple years.I don’t know. Only because (reasons)
The problem with this is you brief it, it changes, yeah you talked about it at the gate but you need a couple seconds to make sure the plane is going to do what you briefed 30 minutes ago. There’s a checklist to go through at my place. You can physically make the changes in about 45 seconds but you can’t do the checklist and actually read and verify stuff on it in that time.
Expectation bias is a biiiiiich.
I have several controllers at SFO who I consider personal friends. I suspect I might know who this one is although I am not certain. I am going to side with the crew on this one, don't line up an airplane that doesn't have numbers, on an active runway used for takeoffs and landings, and although the ATIS says have numbers for both, once you get assigned a runway, you brief and taxi to that runway. They changed runways on them super last minute which isn't cool at all. I can send for numbers all day long but it still takes time to reprogram the box, rebrief, run checklists and make sure you aren't rushing the operation. With all the runway incursions happening across the country right now, rushing a crew onto an active runway IMHO is an erious problem and if I was that captain, I would be freaking furious, and I would be running that up the flag pole with at least an ASAP.
If you’re keeping score, which is silly, she led with the snark.
The sass from a Bay Area Controller (San Carlos).
"I expect more from a Twin Cessna pilot, I'm sorry!"
Ouch
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPaMjSUSn1Y