Oh Alaska/Boeing

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Right. So it can work safely.

Depends how you do it.


Some countries teach you to be a button pusher. Not an aviator. And accident history has shown that repeatedly.
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I’ll make a deal with you—you stfu about the DEI causing unsafe airplanes BS and I’ll stop talking about 300hr US trained pilots having no business in an airliner.
 
Inverted said:
Don’t let it get you down and worried. Last half of 2024 and 2025 projections are looking great (for now). AS always feels a little funny because they are so conservative. UAL hiring with full flood gates open doesn’t indicate that AS isn’t doing well and that UAL is. I promise you’ll be happy that AS is the way it is. When the next downturn hits.
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I mean DAL is STILL hiring 1,000 and UAL is full steam ahead. I don’t think it’s time to panic yet. An LOA during March is tempting though.
 
zmiller4 said:
I’ll make a deal with you—you stfu about the DEI causing unsafe airplanes BS and I’ll stop talking about 300hr US trained pilots having no business in an airliner.
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I'm unsure why you can't understand that the very people you accuse of hating inclusivity or diversity simply don't care and don't hate either. Let's have a level playing field and everyone is invited to try out and everyone will be tested identically and everyone including the end consumer will be happy. But you want to tilt the scales and toss meritocracy out the window to make a quota, you know the only reason the big companies are doing it is to try to gain social credit so they don't get cancelled, they have to keep the investors happy. Don't have a quota regarding hiring, let everyone apply and if they're good enough they get the position with no preference to anything other than their abilities. Doing anything else is racist right? Discounting or refusing someone because of their gender, race, sexual or political preference is what progressives have been fighting against since long before I was born and now at 52 I find out they're advocating for the same thing they used to protest against. The winds of the zeitgeist often change directions, if your parents blessed you with some self respect, a spine and some modicum of intelligence you lean into the wind when you disagree and don't fall over when it blows your way.
 
Don't know if it was pointed out earlier in the thread, but I was told it was two female pilots that handled the emergency on the Alaska flight. Was their handling of the situation problematic?

Blaming the Woke Mind Virustm for the ongoing problems at Boeing is a hell of a play. QC taking a back seat to cost cutting has been a hallmark of the McDonnell Douglas management crew that chased the Boeing guys out the door after the merger, and I don't recall quota hiring among their ranks being a top priority, with the possible exception of Mr. Stonecipher's attitude toward female executives.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I know I’m an introvert, but I can’t wrap my brain around the idea that one would want to spend MORE time around other pilots on a layover.
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How about the people you just flew with on a 14 hr flight?


I couldn’t get enough of you in 14 hrs. Quick! Let’s meet for dinner at ICN today, before we fly together for another 14 hr flight in just 30 more hours from now…
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
And yet 13,200 hrs later, personally, I wouldn’t have changed my path.
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Which shows us all you haven’t really learned anything.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
What is “paid to skip?” Was someone handing out free flight training that I wasn’t aware of?
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Your family background gave you access to a career path that wasn’t available to those less fortunate.

And yet you spend a ton of time complaining about a scenario where someone else might potentially have an advantage because of their family background. But I know, you’re different.
 
zmiller4 said:
Which shows us all you haven’t really learned anything.



Your family background gave you access to a career path that wasn’t available to those less fortunate.

And yet you spend a ton of time complaining about a scenario where someone else might potentially have an advantage because of their family background. But I know, you’re different.
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This may be a new concept for you, but the world and life aren't fair. Your parents rolled the dice and brought you into the world. Some people are born rich and will never work a day in their life, others are born into abject poverty and will struggle for a meal every day. Is that fair? No, it's not, but that's the result of human nature and despite your high hopes you're not going to change human nature in any meaningful way for at least another million years, I'd suggest you accept reality and realize we're actually moving toward your Utopia but it's happening at an almost glacial pace. Enjoy your life and stop trying to tell anybody and everybody how they should think and/or feel and you'll be more happy.
 
zmiller4 said:
Which shows us all you haven’t really learned anything.
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Aww shucks. Maybe I’ll learn one day. :insert big eye roll:



zmiller4 said:
Your family background gave you access to a career path that wasn’t available to those less fortunate.
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So? That’s different for *literally* any other career…. How? Doctor, lawyer, engineer, anything that requires large $$$ for education and obtaining skills.



zmiller4 said:
And yet you spend a ton of time complaining about a scenario where someone else might potentially have an advantage because of their family background. But I know, you’re different.
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Where did I complain someone having an advantage of family background? Or are you confused, and you’re conflating nepotism as a family advantage? Yeah, I’m against nepotism. But it is what it is.



The truth is, the second MAX crash was completely unnecessary, at a time the world knew about MCAS and how to deal with it. But both were below average button pushers, and the CA after takeoff WITH the stick shaker going off, asked for the AP to be engaged 3 times. They were dead from this moment forward.


Atlas, Colgan. Similar thing. Incompetent airmanship. People who should never have been in that seat, ever.



I don’t even know who made this about pilots. Oh wait, the usual crowd did. We were talking about Boeing and their financial incentive push for DEI, instead of making a push for aviation safety with the MAX.
 
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