Oh Alaska/Boeing

I'd MUCH rather discuss safety than DEI. I support creating avenues for under represented groups to find careers in aviation.

I do NOT support some sort of cobbled together European apprenticeship model as a replacement for passion, sacrifice, and hard work that American pilots need in order to be successful in this profession.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Aww shucks. Maybe I’ll learn one day. :insert big eye roll:
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I’d hope you somehow would have come to understand that you bypassed an incredible amount of really valuable experiences. I’ll fully admit that I’d be a better pilot in a number of ways if I’d spent time flying single pilot freight.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So? That’s different for *literally* any other career…. How? Doctor, lawyer, engineer, anything that requires large $$$ for education and obtaining skills.
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Because those gave you at least a hope of starting to pay off loans when you graduate. Trying to pay off a $30k jet course loan as a regional FO? Good luck.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Where did I complain someone having an advantage of family background? Or are you confused, and you’re conflating nepotism as a family advantage? Yeah, I’m against nepotism. But it is what it is.
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You complain constantly about companies not hiring the best candidates and instead looking for specific ethnicities, genders etc—factors you consider unrelated to qualifications (that are inherited). The fact is you were hired because you were born into a family that could afford to send you to JetU. There’s no difference. Pinnacle wasn’t hiring JetU grads because they were top guns, they were hiring them because they didn’t have the time to go anywhere else and had the tens of thousands to pay for a course.


Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Colgan. Similar thing. Incompetent airmanship. People who should never have been in that seat, ever.
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I don't think this is making the point you want to make.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I don’t even know who made this about pilots. Oh wait, the usual crowd did. We were talking about Boeing and their financial incentive push for DEI, instead of making a push for aviation safety with the MAX.
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You’re right. You brought something entirely irrelevant into the thread because your crappy news source told you to be mad about something. I’ll bow out now.
 
mwflyer said:
The doubletree at Hobby has a dedicated “pilots lounge.”
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The Desmond Hotel & Conference Center in ALB had a crew lounge for C5 crews when i was there, which was an ordinary guest room that was being used as a lounge. Its main purpose was that it had both a refrigerator and a microwave, since most of the rooms there didn't. Never really heard of anyone hanging out in it.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
I do NOT support some sort of cobbled together European apprenticeship model as a replacement for passion, sacrifice, and hard work that American pilots need in order to be successful in this profession.
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I'm on this facebook page which can best be described as the soccer mom's page of airline pilot wannabe kids. It's all about which college can I send my kid to cheapest and get to the airlines fastest using the R-ATP thing that allows 1000 hours zero to hero with a flow to a regional that has a flow to a major. ATP flight school isn't the all rage anymore cause they don't do the R-ATP thing.
 
zmiller4 said:
I’d hope you somehow would have come to understand that you bypassed an incredible amount of really valuable experiences. I’ll fully admit that I’d be a better pilot in a number of ways if I’d spent time flying single pilot freight.
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Oh. The trope of “I had it harder than you, you didn’t do my path, so you haven’t paid dues.”

I’ve heard this before.



zmiller4 said:
Because those gave you at least a hope of starting to pay off loans when you graduate. Trying to pay off a $30k jet course loan as a regional FO? Good luck.
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That was the case back in 2007-2013, but since the ATP rule, starting at regionals you can make six figures pretty quick.


zmiller4 said:
You complain constantly about companies not hiring the best candidates and instead looking for specific ethnicities, genders etc—factors you consider unrelated to qualifications (that are inherited). The fact is you were hired because you were born into a family that could afford to send you to JetU. There’s no difference. Pinnacle wasn’t hiring JetU grads because they were top guns, they were hiring them because they didn’t have the time to go anywhere else and had the tens of thousands to pay for a course.
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Incorrect. I was with other people at jetU, they took loans for it, worked out for some and not so much for others. It wasn’t only a rich boys club.

I was hired after passing the same interview process as anyone else off the street.



zmiller4 said:
I don't think this is making the point you want to make.



You’re right. You brought something entirely irrelevant into the thread because your crappy news source told you to be mad about something. I’ll bow out now.
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Nah - the usual JC crowd (you’re one of them) changed the topic, and went for the trope that is jetU. It’s your go-to move for a personal attack of some sort. It doesn’t make any valid point.

News flash - Mesaba street mins were 600 TT and 50 ME. Mess MAPD mins were FAR mins with Comm/Inst-ME. 2006-2007 were crazy years in the regionals even without jetU.
 
Hiboglossi said:
The Desmond Hotel & Conference Center in ALB had a crew lounge for C5 crews when i was there, which was an ordinary guest room that was being used as a lounge. Its main purpose was that it had both a refrigerator and a microwave, since most of the rooms there didn't. Never really heard of anyone hanging out in it.
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Its still there - has a freezer too which saved me from trekking to the ice machines at 4am to reload my ice packs in the cooler.

Never seen anyone in it either but we definitely used the fridge a lot since the hotel gave us major food discounts and it was good food too.
 
zmiller4 said:
I’d hope you somehow would have come to understand that you bypassed an incredible amount of really valuable experiences. I’ll fully admit that I’d be a better pilot in a number of ways if I’d spent time flying single pilot freight.
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Oh. The trope of “I had it harder than you, you didn’t do my path, so you haven’t paid dues.”

I’ve heard this before.
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Typical cc misdirection. Pointing out that valuable learning from varied flying experiences can make one a better pilot is not the same as complaining that someone “had it easy”.
 
Hiboglossi said:
The Desmond Hotel & Conference Center in ALB had a crew lounge for C5 crews when i was there, which was an ordinary guest room that was being used as a lounge. Its main purpose was that it had both a refrigerator and a microwave, since most of the rooms there didn't. Never really heard of anyone hanging out in it.
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Man, that’s a blast from the past. I always felt weird having a minivan pull up and some dude in full colonial garb hopping out.
bimmerphile said:
just would like to make it perfectly clear that CC paid dues
in that he paid what was due at the end of Jet U

calling it a ‘trope’ while railing on dei because oan was on in the crew room is also rich
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Overcompensation for one’s own shortcomings seems to be quite common for people of his political persuasion.
 
The La Quinta in White Plains had a big suite as a crew lounge. We got in at midnight one night after a nightmare day and walked in on a Cohan crew watching the naked Borat/Azamat scene.


bimmerphile said:
just would like to make it perfectly clear that CC paid dues
in that he paid what was due at the end of Jet U
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There is a zero percent chance JetU allowed students to carry a balance to the end.
 
SteveC said:
Typical cc misdirection. Pointing out that valuable learning from varied flying experiences can make one a better pilot is not the same as complaining that someone “had it easy”.
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Sorry. You’re right. I’ll quit, do single pilot freight dog, and come back to my job then.


Oh you were serious.

Can you define what is in your words, quote, “a better pilot?”
 
bimmerphile said:
just would like to make it perfectly clear that CC paid dues
in that he paid what was due at the end of Jet U

calling it a ‘trope’ while railing on dei because oan was on in the crew room is also rich
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Rookie. :) Ain’t no school - at least in those days - taking any payment at the end. Get real. 100% was due on day 1.



You’re correct about the crew room. It’s OAN or Fox. Statistically speaking, what does that say about the pilot crowd, even on JC?
 
SteveC said:
A wider and more diverse range of skills, techniques, and experiences to draw from.
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Cool. Any comment on the “skills, techniques, and experiences” of 23-25 yr old newhires at legacies these days?



Weird how your definition of a better pilot made zero reference to the flying competency aspect. Eg, failures. The common trend in accidents in this country (Atlas, Colgan, UPS).
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Cool. Any comment on the “skills, techniques, and experiences” of 23-25 yr old newhires at legacies these days?



Weird how your definition of a better pilot made zero reference to the flying competency aspect. Eg, failures. The common trend in accidents in this country (Atlas, Colgan, UPS).
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Nope, not interested in following your divergences. I made a comment in post 591, you asked for clarification and I complied. Happy Sunday!
 
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