Non-revving in First, and Facebook
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dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
You guys do necessary work, and that doesn't go unappreciated. Very much a team sport.
You'll just have to disagree with me on the rest, and that's fine. If your apparent career choice is to maintain an entry-level ramp position, I don't feel that you should be given priority over people who've spent years to make it to that airline in the front end. And yes, we get bumped by VPs and other assorted management personnel.
I'm sorry, I just honestly don't believe that loading bags and flying the airplane are equal jobs.
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Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
In terms of the responsibility involved, they're quite separated.
Personally, I don't have much beef about who gets on first, as long as I can jump. Travel benefits are an unbelievable privilege.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Well, I'm really on the outside looking in anyway; I don't have travel bennies on anyone except my own company, and that's just for myself. And CASS, I suppose.
Nick
Well-Known Member
Let me ask you an extension to this scenario.
Should management, who could be argued to have more responsibility than pilots, have even better priority still? (more responsibility as far as the company's direction goes, not souls-on-board that day etc.)
Northwest used to have management as a higher priority, for instance.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
If Mr Childs shows up, I'm off'a the jumpseat.
(I'm not saying that's good or bad; it is how it is where I work.)
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Yes, and like I said a few posts above this one, it does happen.
Nick
Well-Known Member
The tough part, I think, is: where to draw the line in "management" then?
Station manager above flight crew just like the CEO?
i.e. is Dwight the same as Michael?
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Dwight isn't allowed up front. Period.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
I would say HQ/TC management above flight crew, but that's even above my pay grade.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
We permit our Chief Instructors, the various and sundry Vice Presidents (who have operational roles, mind you, almost all of them were pilots at one time or are still certificate holders), and the super super top management on the jumpseat if I recall correctly.I would say HQ/TC management above flight crew, but that's even above my pay grade.
Unplug the phone then Doug.
The only person who keeps you tied down to FB, is you. No one else and nothing else. And that's true for anyone in that same boat.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Pilots calling rampers lazy kind of chaps my ass. I know that most rampers work about 10 times harder than I do.
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Adler
Guest
Again, not talking about all rampers. Talking about specific ones I know. Not that their ramp work ethic is lazy, but that they took the job working the ramp instead of finishing college or their CFI's.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
I should get her to join JetCareers. Maybe @Vector4Food knows her?
The Juice
Well-Known Member
Pilots are always the first ones to stroke themselves about how hard their job is and how hard they had to work to be a pilot.
What a perfect world we live in where every person working a ramp "had" the opportunity for school and a career but were just too "lazy" to take it.
If pilots want higher priority for boarding, then negotiate it in your contract; don't belittle the job that others do.
What a perfect world we live in where every person working a ramp "had" the opportunity for school and a career but were just too "lazy" to take it.
If pilots want higher priority for boarding, then negotiate it in your contract; don't belittle the job that others do.
SquatThrust
Well-Known Member
So you go from undeniably broad and unfair characterizations like this:
...to trying to convince people you're drawing your negative opinion about an entire labor group from anecdotal experience with specific individuals after you get called out on it? Sorry. That doesn't pass muster. Your statements are contradictory and logically irrational.
Being someone who has spent the last 8 years working for a legacy carrier at a large hub as a 'lowly' ramper, while attending college and earning two degrees, paying for and earning my flight ratings, and just two months ago earning my first pilot job, I can tell you that people like me are not uncommon on the ramp. You would be surprised how many rampers hold professional positions in unrelated fields but keep the ramp job for the affordable insurance and flight benefits. Lots of highly educated folks among them. Anyways, I bust my rear both physically and operationally to do my part to keep the operation running smoothly, as most of us do. Oddly and despite your esteemed opinion of your labor group, I can use more than one hand to count the number of times that I've had pilots come up to me unprovoked and start bitching about 'you rampers' in a very confrontational tone while I'm in the middle of doing my job (and doing it well, mind you). I have no patience for that and politely told them as such and that their beef is being directed at the wrong guy. But do I let those tools convince me that all pilots think of themselves as Sky Kings that shall be served and groveled to? No. Absolutely not. I've met far more pilots that are absolutely great people in every sense of the word. You probably aren't one of those tools, but you aren't very convincing at it.
And yet, are there some lazy slobs who will amount to nothing greater in their lives than being bag thrower? Hell yes there are. And the rest of us who work hard know who those lazy bums are and despise that we get associated in a lump with them by those who work 15 feet above our heads.
All this is for me to get to my point: When I reach my career goal of being a legacy airline pilot, I'll remember what it was like to sling 250 bags in the bin of a 757 when its 110 degrees out and make sure to not be one of those few tool pilots that I encountered. Will I deal with lazy rampers as a pilot. Yup, I know it. Will I denounce the whole group based on a few individuals? Nope. Why not? Because I'm better than that.
Rant over.
And to slightly be on topic, I hate it when I see fellow airline employees standing out as such when they nonrev. Poor taste and classless. However, a discreetly taken photo isn't a big deal.
...to trying to convince people you're drawing your negative opinion about an entire labor group from anecdotal experience with specific individuals after you get called out on it? Sorry. That doesn't pass muster. Your statements are contradictory and logically irrational.
Being someone who has spent the last 8 years working for a legacy carrier at a large hub as a 'lowly' ramper, while attending college and earning two degrees, paying for and earning my flight ratings, and just two months ago earning my first pilot job, I can tell you that people like me are not uncommon on the ramp. You would be surprised how many rampers hold professional positions in unrelated fields but keep the ramp job for the affordable insurance and flight benefits. Lots of highly educated folks among them. Anyways, I bust my rear both physically and operationally to do my part to keep the operation running smoothly, as most of us do. Oddly and despite your esteemed opinion of your labor group, I can use more than one hand to count the number of times that I've had pilots come up to me unprovoked and start bitching about 'you rampers' in a very confrontational tone while I'm in the middle of doing my job (and doing it well, mind you). I have no patience for that and politely told them as such and that their beef is being directed at the wrong guy. But do I let those tools convince me that all pilots think of themselves as Sky Kings that shall be served and groveled to? No. Absolutely not. I've met far more pilots that are absolutely great people in every sense of the word. You probably aren't one of those tools, but you aren't very convincing at it.
And yet, are there some lazy slobs who will amount to nothing greater in their lives than being bag thrower? Hell yes there are. And the rest of us who work hard know who those lazy bums are and despise that we get associated in a lump with them by those who work 15 feet above our heads.
All this is for me to get to my point: When I reach my career goal of being a legacy airline pilot, I'll remember what it was like to sling 250 bags in the bin of a 757 when its 110 degrees out and make sure to not be one of those few tool pilots that I encountered. Will I deal with lazy rampers as a pilot. Yup, I know it. Will I denounce the whole group based on a few individuals? Nope. Why not? Because I'm better than that.
Rant over.
And to slightly be on topic, I hate it when I see fellow airline employees standing out as such when they nonrev. Poor taste and classless. However, a discreetly taken photo isn't a big deal.
A
Adler
Guest
I don't know what to say except for that I seriously was talking about a select group. Go to Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids. Both airports are close to WMU, and filled with them.
N519AT
Ahh! This is how I change this!
