Non-revving in First, and Facebook
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Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
No, they kept it. Now the US Airway FAs are suing to get it changed back.
Wow.
I've traveled under both seniority and time-of-check-in systems and I can say from personal, firsthand experience neither is better nor worse than the other. They each have positives and negatives. It all comes out the same in the end, really.
Before smartphones and the internet, people used to get gate agent friends to put them on the list exactly 4 hours prior (4 hours prior being the earliest you could get put on a standby list). I think now one can check themselves in via Jetnet, so "cheating" the system by having a friend check you in isn't an issue anymore. With the seniority system, you can show up to the gate an hour before departure and take your seniority-based spot on the list, bumping others who'd possibly (worst case scenario) been waiting days to get out! With the time-of-check-in, if you show up at 0500 for a 0700 departure, and you get bumped, you keep your 0500 time of check in as the day goes by and you keep getting bumped off oversold flights.
There are good and bad about both systems. It's not worth the energy, time or money in suing over!
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The AFA contract at Airways requires seniority be used for non rev. By changing it to time if check in, the company is in direct violation of the contract. The AFA has won this fight before. I don't think they are suing but rather grieving it.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I think it's "friend" ;-)
I guess when you are gay and have a genetic makeup puzzle similar to Tiger Woods women try to convert you.
If people wouldn't freak the "F" out and call my house whenever I take a break from the toilet bowl that is Facebook, I'd delete my profile. Ungh!!
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dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
So, I'm probably going to get some hate mail for this, but I generally agree with the concept of pilots having priority over rampers for biz/first seats while non-revving if both work for the same airline. It's not that I look down on anyone for being a ramper, but rather, anyone who's reasonably fit can get a ramp job for Delta. It takes years of work and experience to become a Delta pilot. I think the latter should be rewarded for that with a few extra perks.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Umm... the extra perk is generally the pay check and the number of days off. Also, the sitting on their ass (you can totally say ass here!) instead of tossing bags in the hold of a Mad Dog in July in Atlanta.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
The higher pay and better work rules are negotiated benefits that revolve around the greater responsibility and revenue production. Sitting in the cockpit instead of throwing bags isn't a perk; it's just a job function. But, I've helped throw bags as a pilot, too.
I certainly don't hold myself in any higher esteem as a *person* over other work groups, but this whole kumbaya "A ramper's job is the same level as a pilot's" thing is a bit much, and is no doubt something management would love to see. We need to have some pride in the work we've put into our careers.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
@dasleben while I certainly agree we should have pride in the work we do to get where we are, as a Delta employee, I don't begrudge any employee who has a better DOH getting first over me. Non rev travel at Delta is not a negotiated benefit, but rather a company policy. Everyone gets it, or no one gets it. Besides, I still have the option to Jumpseat, both up front or in the back, if the flight is full that the other employees don't. (FAs notwithstanding in the back.)
Now, you wanna draw hate mail, you gotta say something like, "I don't care what it is, as long as none of those DCI bishes gets on before me." :stir:
Now, you wanna draw hate mail, you gotta say something like, "I don't care what it is, as long as none of those DCI bishes gets on before me." :stir:
H46Bubba
Well-Known Member
Ooooo you're going to hang for that!
As Cptnchia said, nonreving is a company benefit afforded to each employee equally, not a "perk" negotiated in a contract. You try to bump me with a lower DOH, priority or a later checkin time (AA) I'll shiv you with a sharp toothbrush handle!
I work hard for my benefits, which really have become less of a benefit with full flights and automatic upgrades for high milers.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
I'm off-brand. Everyone goes ahead of me on everything.
I'm really not trying to start anything here, but an 18 year old high school graduate having priority over someone who's been working his/her whole career for the position at that same airline just doesn't strike me as right. Of course, I'm lesser priority than Delta rampers, and that's understandable; they're actually employed there, and I'm not.
I simply think in the attempt to make things fair for the ramper, you make things much less fair for the pilot.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Well, I am Delta Ultra Plutonium Medallion...Ooooo you're going to hang for that!
Nah, I see your point on that as a company benefit. Not sure how it was handled over there.
H46Bubba
Well-Known Member
Plutonium Medallion is the best! My previous company before Delta was Comair. When I started at Comair we had same non rev bennies as Delta. That was truly not fair to Delta employees. When we were reduced to S3C like all other DCI contracted carriers, a lot of the senior employees who had those benefits for years, complained for a bit, but then realized they weren't Delta employees even thought we were "owned" by Delta. I was perfectly fine with the change. Sure it made it more of a pain in the ass, but it was how it should be; Delte employees have higher priority. When I was working at Delta Connection Academy I felt even more awkward being ahead of Delta employees with less DOH than myself!Well, I am Delta Ultra Plutonium Medallion...
Nah, I see your point on that as a company benefit. Not sure how it was handled over there.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
The Pittsburgh mafia chewed out Dougie at the PHL meeting it was hilarious. His answer ? AA has more people so we are gonna switch it to their way. Next Question.
The crew room is full of griping about this. I think it's funny.
bksslc
Well-Known Member
Umm...You get CASS, there is a huge perk for your position. As a ramper, I don't get that. Being a pilot doesn't, and shouldn't leave you entitled to getting a non rev seat before somebody like myself if we work for the same company and I happen to have an earlier DOH.
I understand you worked hard to get to your seat, but remember. Without rampies to load the plane, gate agents to board the plane, etc... You aren't going anywhere. And nobody is going to pay you to fly around empty airplanes.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
And as one of said DCI-but-only-sort-of-and-probably-not-for-long bishes, I'm here to tell you that the Delta non-rev program is the best out of all of them.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
This is a team effort.
Without the ramp, we don't go. Without the pilots, we don't go. Without the mechanics, flight attendants, above-wing CS, Flight Control, Maintenance Control, Market Development, Flight and InFlight Standards and yes, even Crew Support, nobody moves. Each piece of the machine needs to be doing its thing or I can't go fly and the people and the cargo don't get to where they want or need to go. It all has to be working properly.
But we're still in the pointy end.