No furloughs at Pinnacle?
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ajdwings
Well-Known Member
Sorry man. Your calls and texts must have blended together with the other several thousand I had gotten from my former 9L brothers
Give me a ring/text over the weekend if you have a chance.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
Hey Kolgan boy it's PenAir not Penn Air. As in Peninsula Airways not Pennsylvania Airways. Get it right
On a side note it was kinda sad to see the ole Captain America SF3 in BOS for the last time yesterday. She looked sad sitting over in North Cargo behind the JAL Dreamliner.
Captain America Saabs reminds me of the white trash dangerous airline that was Colgan Air. Lowest pay, low safety standards, pilot pushing, mx issues and violations, MF testifying in front of Congress, washing her hands of any 3407 responsibility ....amazing that it lasted so long.
Ran by kids whose Daddy bought them an airline to play with and run.
5 years at Colgan, I know how bad it really was..
ajdwings
Well-Known Member
I meant it more for the good memories and great friends I met there. Trust me I'm glad to be gone. When the cockpit door was closed/cell phone off it was the greatest job in the world. It quickly changed your opinion when the door opened and the phone was powered up!
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Adler
Guest
as a side note, could any of you colganites pm me your/our crew room info for ewr?
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Crew room is outside under 111? Call the rcp or sched for codes
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
So anyone else see the fear inducing e-mail from Spanjers? Delta wanting to reduce more -200s and telling us we're not competitive when it comes to bidding for the -900. Basically, the company is saying that we just cost so much more than everyone else. Uh....no we don't. If you look at pay and benefits, we didn't get the moon in the last contract. We got what everyone else already had. They might actually have to MANAGE costs, but they'd rather "stop labor negotiations" to no doubt come back and try to get us slashed down to Great Lakes levels in bankruptcy. Parked -200s + serious labor concessions = me leaving. I'm not commuting to JFK with reduced pay, health insurance and only 11 days off a month when I can make just a bit less and be home every night as a button pusher at a theme park....
amorris311
Well-Known Member
Amen brother!
pilotlight
Well-Known Member
this is not a good development but its still probably part of delta managements plan. Sad thing is is that our union may get backed into a corner of saying hey, take this deal or pinnacle is out of business. Delta controls everything now. Think about it, they got us to park all of our q's and saabs and stop flying for two carriers. They have a master plan. They tell spanjers what to do and he does it, if he is unable to get it done, he will be out of a job too.
A
Adler
Guest
That's a bit optimistic. If he or anyone in management actually cared I doubt we'd be in this mess.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Well said. The sad part is that in essense, they are saying that the proposed term sheet isn't enough, we're going to look it over again and put in more concessions. THEN we'll negotiate. You gotta like the part about how they will reformulate the business plan and "identify the concessions necessary to make it work...."
If your business requires concessions to make it work long term, it's time to close shop. Unfortunately kellwolf, Spanjers is correct about 9E/XJ costs of the -900s when it comes to comparison to the two carriers in the letter: GoJets and Compass. Both airlines are very new, have very little seniority compared to 9E and XJ. Their wages and benefits on the 76 seaters are far below XJ and 9E.
What's the deal with the Blue? Haven't they had any classes this year? Why are they stalling?
v1valarob
Well-Known Member
I'm normally a pretty "glass half full" type of person when it comes to this company. Don't know why, just am. However yesterday my attitude changed. This place is done. I have no clue what it'll be in a few years, but I certainly don't plan on having anything to do with it anymore. My suffering now will not be rewarded when we pass through the storm. They'll always want something, and I'll always feel like I'm getting the shaft so that "the man" can make a buck and get his golden parachute at the end. While I'm stuck with lost time, lost wages, and an extreme loss in quality of life. The first opportunity I have to make an exit, I plan to do so. Such a shame, because I truly believe we have one of the best pilot groups in the industry, and not one of us deserve any of this.
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
I think most of us feel the same way Rob... I gave up hope about two months ago...
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
keep fighting and good luck, I just heard the same thing earlier today from my buddy who is also on the -200
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Zero attrition in the past year and they hired last year based on the new rest rules kicking in within a couple of months of being announced rather than a couple of years. Airbus FOs on reserve are flying 5-10 hours a month from what I hear, so they are mad overstaffed. On the flip side, I hear the 190 FOs in BOS can't catch a break and are insanely understaffed. Go figure. I'm just taking it day by day and hoping things pick up in a few months. They might still run a class or two in December, but I doubt it. I bet the schoolhouse goes into full swing after the holidays and doesn't stop. Once Delta, American and US Air start hiring, attrition will pick up as guys leave for greener pastures and the heavy iron. There are still new aircraft deliveries coming next year, too.
As for 9E, if they need labor concessions that badly in order to compete with Compass and GoJets, it IS time to close up shop. We could fly for free and they still wouldn't be able to compete if their training costs and administrative costs are so high they need to boot us back to late 90s wages and benefits.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Really?!?! Even with the massive influx of 717s. Oh, yeah. It's the outsourcing of the MD-88 to Compass and GoJets.....
Cav
Former Maddog Whisperer
You mean the early out that is 100% controlled by and at the discretion of the company and terminated whenever they please? But wait the new highly techinal analysis of potential job loss by DALPA statisticians (read salesmen) is now calculating that the contract will only cost 125 jobs....which is nothing more than prepping us for the inevitable lower than anticipated accepted early outs by the company. But hey it's too late now! Throw in increased line values, reserves flying ALV+15 against their will, changing the 30 day bid calendar months...I'll show DALPA where to stick their early out.
If it makes it make you feel better, the last two ex military CA's I flew with assured me that my concerns regarding ALV+15 were unfounded because the company has never and will never fly reserves that much. It's impossible! Well those of us that worked at the regionals, flying even less product able trips, are not that ignorant. Without the work rules you can't blame the company for doing what the pilot group allowed them to do.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
One day I was chatting with a mainline non-rev who had just hopped off our flight. I can't even remember which company the guy worked for, one of the legacy carriers. We were talking about schedules, and the guy said, "Oh man you wouldn't believe it this month. They wanted me to fly 80 hours! Can you believe that? And we were doing 3 legs a day the entire month! That starts to get dangerous with that many legs!"
When I informed him that I was doing a 25 hour 4 day trip with 5 legs per day, and that we had CRJ drivers doing 7 legs per day down in Atlanta his jaw nearly hit the floor. He couldn't fathom that people were flying that much.