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[Manders79]

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I scored 100%. Picked Idaho, in comments section specified that I would prefer Boise area. No email here

 

[chichi]

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91.5... NJ

I know I'm being picky with that, but I can't do much about it. I haven't seen anyone who was picked up for a NJ facility from PUBNAT2, so maybe it just wasn't the time :banghead:

 

[Ammolite]

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I am glad you have figured out how I mean to sound. With insight like that I wonder why you waste your talents on a scientific job instead of a phsychological one. If I were to take accountability I would admit to being condescending, but not snobby.

I find it humorous that whenever confronted about an extreme stand, one uses how absurd the other extreme is to justify their own extreme view. Obviously people are not born controllers, but if they cannot pass a simple test then it could inhibit their ability to learn said job.

Also, your own self admitted shortcomings are not a reason to doubt a well established method of determining intelligence. There are hordes of underachieving geniuses. It doesn't mean they lack any mental capabilities, just ambition and skill.

I'm not even going to address any of the petty, ad hominem jousts. C'mon, you must be above that.

You do know, though, that it isn't exactly a revolutionary or...heretic concept that intelligence and aptitude aren't super-posable, and that thus, accurate measurements can NEVER be obtained on a concrete plane. Nevermind the fact that the results must be repeatable under controlled, objective conditions. It's a basic tenet of the scientific method, and unfortunately, the IQ test does not lend itself to any of the aforementioned qualities. It is inherently flawed, as with any other test with a similar purpose. The Myer-Brigg's comes to mind, if you're familiar with it. This isn't my measly opinion; this is the field of logic and psychometrics, and it is far more vast than you or I.

I have a lot of issues with the fields of psychology and sociology in general, however interesting that they may be...especially anything...Jungian. Like the great physicist, Richard Feynman, once declared, they're more like "witchdoctors". Poignant.
Needless to say, there are plenty of noteworthy researchers who I have complete reverence for, who have submitted numerous studies on such a topic.

Ambition? Skill? Underachieving? Please, Sweetheart, don't be presumptuous. It isn't befitting.

 

[shaba169]

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93.4
PP-SEL
4 Years full time at same company, in management.
Also managed a small business part time for the past four years, worked there for seven years.
Picked CT & MA. Terminal only

Anyone remember the survey at the very end of the AT-SAT saying that it would match up our answers to the answers we put on our org. apps? It said if they didn't match up, we my not be considered for employment. Do you think this could be separate from the actual ATSAT score? That may explain not getting picked.....or it could have nothing to do with it.......

 

[mah584jr]

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I'm not even going to address any of the petty, ad hominem jousts. C'mon, you must be above that.

You do know, though, that it isn't exactly a revolutionary or...heretic concept that intelligence and aptitude aren't super-posable, and that thus, accurate measurements can NEVER be obtained on a concrete plane. Nevermind the fact that the results must be repeatable under controlled, objective conditions. It's a basic tenet of the scientific method, and unfortunately, the IQ test does not lend itself to any of the aforementioned qualities. It is inherently flawed, as with any other test with a similar purpose. The Myer-Brigg's comes to mind, if you're familiar with it. This isn't my measly opinion; this is the field of logic and psychometrics, and it is far more vast than you or I.

I have a lot of issues with the fields of psychology and sociology in general, however interesting that they may be...especially anything...Jungian. Like the great physicist, Richard Feynman, once declared, they're more like "witchdoctors". Poignant.
Needless to say, there are plenty of noteworthy researchers who I have complete reverence for, who have submitted numerous studies on such a topic.

Ambition? Skill? Underachieving? Please, Sweetheart, don't be presumptuous. It isn't befitting.

I agree with you that sometimes testing doesn't always lead to the intended results and that may be the case with the AT-SAT, but unfortunately it doesn't matter. The AT-SAT is the tool they use and there's nothing we can do about that.

Having said that, I think a lot went into the decisions that the panels made. Remember the personality test at the AT-SAT? That could have hurt some people. Or maybe it was the lack of demand for the facility or state one chose. We really won't ever know.

 

[Victor]

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SC and GA
Terminal and En Route
2500 hours flight experience
Airline Pilot - 3.5 years
Embry-Riddle Degree

No email
Hoping for Tues. Good luck to those in the same situation

 

[ATC Hopeful]

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I am a welder/machinist in a factory.
No aviation experience.
scored 100% on AT-SAT
Picked for ZTL
So I guess AT-SAT score is weighted more heavily than background.

 

[MikeJiuJitsu]

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Geo pref. TX and VA
Scored 97.7 on AT Sat
Full time student with 2 years finished.
Been working while studying for the past 3 years full time.
20 years old.
I know my info isn't that impressive seeing as I am only 20 but Victors up there is pretty impressive. I don't understand why someone with a high well qualified score and an respectable work history is not selected. I am going to have to agree and say that when Tuesday rolls around we are going to see a few more emails sent out.

 

[MissATC]

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As far as I know, I didn't get chosen either. My selections were Terminal only for FL & GA.

 

[emiliot]

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I'm not even going to address any of the petty, ad hominem jousts. C'mon, you must be above that.

You do know, though, that it isn't exactly a revolutionary or...heretic concept that intelligence and aptitude aren't super-posable, and that thus, accurate measurements can NEVER be obtained on a concrete plane. Nevermind the fact that the results must be repeatable under controlled, objective conditions. It's a basic tenet of the scientific method, and unfortunately, the IQ test does not lend itself to any of the aforementioned qualities. It is inherently flawed, as with any other test with a similar purpose. The Myer-Brigg's comes to mind, if you're familiar with it. This isn't my measly opinion; this is the field of logic and psychometrics, and it is far more vast than you or I.

I have a lot of issues with the fields of psychology and sociology in general, however interesting that they may be...especially anything...Jungian. Like the great physicist, Richard Feynman, once declared, they're more like "witchdoctors". Poignant.
Needless to say, there are plenty of noteworthy researchers who I have complete reverence for, who have submitted numerous studies on such a topic.

Ambition? Skill? Underachieving? Please, Sweetheart, don't be presumptuous. It isn't befitting.

Very well Said! I think your statements have much more class than some of your other comments - Refresher - "You seem malnourished. How about a d**k sandwich?"

I received an email:
Congratulations! You have been chosen for further consideration for an Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) position at the Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower (PBI) in West Palm Beach Florida.

As far as I know there have been around 5 people on here selected for Florida locations.

I don't have any aviation experience and I received 100 on my atsat. I have work history for over 10 years and turn 31 in December. Good luck to all!

 

[Wyopoke79]

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I have seen so many people on here say they have a 100% on the AT-SAT....

It's totally possible that all the people selected for Florida had a higher score than 97.7...

I think getting picked up had to do with three things....

1. AT-SAT score
2. Number of applicants for the state you selected
3. Number of positions for the state you selected

You could have a 97.7 and all the work history in the world...but if you selected a state where the volume of applicants was overwhelming...there could have been 120 applicants with a score higher than 97.7 all applying for 90 jobs in your state (probably less than 90)....

States like FL and GA and IL had an overwhelming amount of applicants..... When guys with 100's are filling level 5 towers.... you are probably out of luck. I empathize though. How could you possibly think a 97.7 is too low of a score with your work history taken into account. But seriously, I don't think it's out of the question when you take into account all 3 factors above.
anic:anic:anic:

Good luck folks... My prayers are with you. I hope you get an email Tuesday. Remember..some people will turn down the facilities that they were selected for...maybe they will fill those in the upcoming weeks as well.

 

[RobertB]

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I scored 100%. Picked Idaho, in comments section specified that I would prefer Boise area. No email here

Why would you limit yourself to just one state and just one area in particular???

 

[RobertB]

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I have seen so many people on here say they have a 100% on the AT-SAT....

It's totally possible that all the people selected for Florida had a higher score than 97.7...

I think getting picked up had to do with three things....

1. AT-SAT score
2. Number of applicants for the state you selected
3. Number of positions for the state you selected

You could have a 97.7 and all the work history in the world...but if you selected a state where the volume of applicants was overwhelming...there could have been 120 applicants with a score higher than 97.7 all applying for 90 jobs in your state (probably less than 90)....

States like FL and GA and IL had an overwhelming amount of applicants..... When guys with 100's are filling level 5 towers.... you are probably out of luck. I empathize though. How could you possibly think a 97.7 is too low of a score with your work history taken into account. But seriously, I don't think it's out of the question when you take into account all 3 factors above.
anic:anic:anic:

Good luck folks... My prayers are with you. I hope you get an email Tuesday. Remember..some people will turn down the facilities that they were selected for...maybe they will fill those in the upcoming weeks as well.

The 97.7 might have been good enough for other regions, but maybe there were just more qualified people applying to their state(s) of preference...

 

[RobertB]

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As far as I know, I didn't get chosen either. My selections were Terminal only for FL & GA.

There aren't many places for terminal in Georgia. You have A80 (not going to happen), ATL (definitely not going to happen), PDK (most likely not going to happen), AGS (likely), or SAV (likely). So you have two choices in Georgia of places that you could go. I just don't see the reason putting terminal only especially if you put a state with few likely choices of places to go. So basically your only chance of having a good chance of being picked up was in Florida which is a highly sought after state...

 

[RobertB]

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I guess flying a plane isn't the same as controlling one. If you have what it takes to be a great controller then you would have been well qualified. I'm not trying to be mean, but being able to fly doesn't give you an advantage when it comes to controlling.

+1 The AT SAT was not difficult in any way. Basic math, basic short term memory, basic recognition skills, etc. You can have all the flight experience in the world, but it might not make you a potentially good controller. The same could be said about someone who is a controller trying to become a pilot...

 

[Wyopoke79]

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The 97.7 might have been good enough for other regions, but maybe there were just more qualified people applying to their state(s) of preference...

That was kind of my point...but better said :laff:

 

[RobertB]

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Atsat- 100
B.S.--working on the master's
Pilot as a day job
IQ-131
ACT-19
Terminal only for TX & FL


But I was selected on Pubnat1 for enroute. Maybe that has something to do with it???

That is low for an ACT score... I really hope you didn't list that on your application.

 

[K-Dog]

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How do you people find out what you IQ is anyway? I think the only IQ test I have had in my life was in 4th grade. Did you pay to be tested?

P.S. I agree with ammolite that IQ does not measure aptitude for any certain job...in theory someone with an off the charts IQ score may no be able to make a decision to save their life. However if I had my choice between a "genius" and a "mental retard" I would choose the "genius" to train.

 

[Ammolite]

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Very well Said! I think your statements have much more class than some of your other comments - Refresher - "You seem malnourished. How about a d**k sandwich?"

I received an email:
Congratulations! You have been chosen for further consideration for an Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) position at the Palm Beach International Air Traffic Control Tower (PBI) in West Palm Beach Florida.

As far as I know there have been around 5 people on here selected for Florida locations.

I don't have any aviation experience and I received 100 on my atsat. I have work history for over 10 years and turn 31 in December. Good luck to all!

Haha, don't remind me. I tend to get rather caustic under the influence of the bottle. Heaven help my Husband.

 

[Kmaceri]

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Score 84.6
GEO PREF - FL & GA
Aviation Background
Owner of Lawn Care company

I didn't expect an email, although im upset that they didn't get to the qualifieds, they should of just not put us on the referral list since they said they would look at our apps.