Need advice on 150 day fast track
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44Driver
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Does anyone actually believe that this type of pay structure will encourage new instructors to err on the side of caution when it comes to weather, fatigue, and student ability? That's why airlines provide a decent guaranteed base pay rather than paying a pilot $12,000 and then associating 50% of his additional pay to how far he can push himself to fly, fly, fly...
This type of pay is an incentive to succumb to "Get-there-itis". Especially at a company which pushes 4-day Commercial, 14-day CFI, etc....
This type of pay is an incentive to succumb to "Get-there-itis". Especially at a company which pushes 4-day Commercial, 14-day CFI, etc....
Krieger
Well-Known Member
That post would have been perfect for a new thread about the ATP pay scale structure.... Now... I wish somebody, somewhere would start one.
LoadMasterC141
Well-Known Member
If it is so dangerous...why does it work fine for everyone else? I mean you bash ATP every chance you can, and in many cases cite how much better an FBO is, but now you are bashing ATP for moving pay structure to a more incentive base.
At an airline, I get a 72 hour gurantee, out of 100 hours I could fly. There are few people I know that fly guarantee only. Especially first year guys. They fly every chance they get. Flying on days off is OT. It is highly encouraged because you get 120% pay.
At an airline, I get a 72 hour gurantee, out of 100 hours I could fly. There are few people I know that fly guarantee only. Especially first year guys. They fly every chance they get. Flying on days off is OT. It is highly encouraged because you get 120% pay.
ryan1234
Desensitized Member
It's amazing how prevalent the mentality of 'teaching the checkride' is. Wouldn't it be great it Med schools had the same approach?
44Driver
New Member
It works fine at an FBO because they are not pressured to get people done in 4 days, two flights and a checkride, 14-days for a total CFI. I don't know if you have your head in the sand or you want a job teaching the jet course and have to praise ATP to get it. Do you really think the VP's in JAX sat down and said, "Hey, lets find a way to pay our instructors better and improve their quality of life"??? If they wanted to do that they'd make instructors employees and start paying benefits. I'll say it again, its an under handed way to force the bottom of the ATP payroll to absorb the losses when enrollment drops.
You know how much a CFI can fly in 30 days? 240hrs. You, airline pilot, are limited to 100hrs for SAFETY reasons.
I'll ask again, do you really think this kind of pay structure will encourage caution among instructors to not fly sick, fatigued, or generally overworked?
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Since when do CFIs at FBOs experience no pressure? At one point I simultaneously had over 8 career-path foreign students when I was an FBO CFI. Now that is pressure, especially when compared to the what 2 student max at ATP?
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
SpiraMirabilis said:
I know of FBOs that it is encouraged to wait until the engine is running to brief the flight, as well as do 747 size patterns in a 152/172. The whole goal is to make the CFI do things to get the students money yes they are only paid when the engine is running. Oh wait, they are a flight school.....
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
wait a minute! are you telling me the only time I learn about flying is with the engine on?
No wonder!
Guidetothesky
Well-Known Member
I think it is actually when you turn on the master switch.
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Guidetothesky said:
For me it was engine and then let's talk for a minute. When asked for my logbook for a plane checkout I pulled the mixture and hit the master. Funny owner ended up doing my checkout and she tried the same thing. I just started taxing and said we could talk after the flight. I didn't last long there as a customer.