NAI is Approved

It WAS well-written, interesting, and in some ways persuasive. The only reply I have is that it's damned near impossible to keep the camel's ass out of the tent once his nose has got in ... Norwegian being the nose, of course, in this case.

Other than posing "no threat," what is the compelling reason to change the status quo for Norwegian Air? Why is it a good choice, given the precedent it sets?
 
http://m.independent.ie/business/ir...passengers-to-norwegian-carrier-34642763.html

Ryanair will start feeding passengers to Norwegian Air Shuttle from airports including Dublin, Cork and Belfast, according to chief executive Michael O'Leary.
Mr O'Leary said Ryanair and Norwegian had reached an "agreement in principle" that will see the Irish carrier feed into the Scandinavian airline's long-haul operations out of London Gatwick. It serves a number of US destinations from the airport.
The two airlines have already begun working on aligning their booking systems to provide the feeder service.

Norwegian's Irish subsidiary, Norwegian Air International, is poised to receive a controversial permit that will allow it to commence flights from Cork to Boston this summer...............
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And this will be only the beginning, MOL will have a close look what is possible on the long haul business to the US.
 
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z987k said:
Because they fly a flag of convenience to circumvent labor laws.

Norwegian airlines, flying Irish flagged airplanes with crews from all over the planet.

It's what happened to, and destroyed the cargo shipping industry. And the cruise lines for that matter.
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Ok, I read up on flag of convenience, so I have a better understanding of it, and what is driving everyone's concerns. But I don't see how a protectionist response will help vs. embracing it and figuring out how to compete. Enlighten me?
 
How do you want to compete with a company which works only with contractors in the cockpit and send them into unpaid leave for several months (happened the last 2 years during the winter period) when the loadfactors going down? And to all the pilots which are interested to join them; as a not type rated Boeing driver you need to give them 30.000 euro as guarantee that u won't leave in the first 3 years. They pay you back 10.000 eur/ year.

Edit: regarding the Bond as a type rated 777/787 pilot you have to pay 20K, other Boeing drivers 30K and the Airbus drivers 40K €.
 
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Flying Saluki said:
Ok, I read up on flag of convenience, so I have a better understanding of it, and what is driving everyone's concerns. But I don't see how a protectionist response will help vs. embracing it and figuring out how to compete. Enlighten me?
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If you can think of a viable way to compete without eroding the work rules and pay we've fought hard to achieve and maintain then I'm all ears.
 
Der rote Baron said:
How do you want to compete with a company which works only with contractors in the cockpit and send them into unpaid leave for several months (happened the last 2 years during the winter period) when the loadfactors going down? And to all the pilots which are interested to join them; as a not type rated Boeing driver you need to give them 30.000 euro as guarantee that u won't leave in the first 3 years. They pay you back 10.000 eur/ year.

Edit: regarding the Bond as a type rated 777/787 pilot you have to pay 20K, other Boeing drivers 30K and the Airbus drivers 40K €.
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Well, if what you say about NAI is true, they don't sound like much of a competitive threat. So again I ask "what's the problem?" Do you really think they are going to driver American, Delta, United et al out of the trans-Atlantic market?
 
Flying Saluki said:
Well, if what you say about NAI is true, they don't sound like much of a competitive threat. So again I ask "what's the problem?" Do you really think they are going to driver American, Delta, United et al out of the trans-Atlantic market?
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"What's the big deal with an appendix?" said medicine for generations on end and we cut out infected appendices with semi-reckless abandon.

Then recently, we discover specifically WHY we have an appendix and how important it is to keep it healthy.
 
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Flying Saluki said:
Well, if what you say about NAI is true, they don't sound like much of a competitive threat. So again I ask "what's the problem?" Do you really think they are going to driver American, Delta, United et al out of the trans-Atlantic market?
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Well, NAI will not force Delta, United or American out of the trans-Atlantic market. But NAI and the other "Ultra Low Cost Carrier will take their portion of the business. And this will lead to a similar development like in Europe during the last years. Their is a reason why LH, BA and AF started their own LCC's. And of course not with main line conditions.

When I started in the RHS with my company (250 hours and a frozen ATPL) 7 years ago, I got roughly 2.700 €/Month. Not much esp. when you have to pay back a loan of 50.000€, but I was based in eastern Europe and somehow I survived. Today you'll find guys starting at a LCC with a frozen ATPL and roughly 1.000€/Month. And guess what, they find enough people which sign the contract; because they want to live their dream.

NAI is only the beginning, similar like Ryanair in Europe. When Ryanair started, the european legacies smiled and today Ryanair has the largest 737 fleet worldwide. And I believe that we will see a similar scenario for the trans-Atlantic routes. Today you're smiling about NAI, lets see if this is still the case in 10 years.

Edit: Why the hell should I care.... I don't want to fly for Delta, United & co. Longhaul is boring. LHS at an US LCC with an decent salary sounds much more fun.
 
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Protectionism—not wanting the "free market" to down-regulate our standard of living to that of the slums of India or China.

Oh my.
 
Der rote Baron said:
Well, NAI will not force Delta, United or American out of the trans-Atlantic market. But NAI and the other "Ultra Low Cost Carrier will take their portion of the business. And this will lead to a similar development like in Europe during the last years. Their is a reason why LH, BA and AF started their own LCC's. And of course not with main line conditions.

When I started in the RHS with my company (250 hours and a frozen ATPL) 7 years ago, I got roughly 2.700 €/Month. Not much esp. when you have to pay back a loan of 50.000€, but I was based in eastern Europe and somehow I survived. Today you'll find guys starting at a LCC with a frozen ATPL and roughly 1.000€/Month. And guess what, they find enough people which sign the contract; because they want to live their dream.

NAI is only the beginning, similar like Ryanair in Europe. When Ryanair started, the european legacies smiled and today Ryanair has the largest 737 fleet worldwide. And I believe that we will see a similar scenario for the trans-Atlantic routes. Today you're smiling about NAI, lets see if this is still the case in 10 years.

Edit: Why the hell should I care.... I don't want to fly for Delta, United & co. Longhaul is boring. LHS at an US LCC with an decent salary sounds much more fun.
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That takes me back to my original point. Figure out a way to compete, because placing all your hopes that some government agency will continue to side with you does not seem to be a very effective strategy for the long term. Hope is not a strategy.
 
Flying Saluki said:
That takes me back to my original point. Figure out a way to compete, because placing all your hopes that some government agency will continue to side with you does not seem to be a very effective strategy for the long term. Hope is not a strategy.
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I believe we both know what will happen. More NAI's will follow and you can guess what will happen with our T&C. That's life...
 
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