Morbid curiosity. Upgrade times?

If I lost my medical and disability checks were coming at FO pay rates when they could've been coming at Captain rates - would also regret it.

Honestly, I would upgrade based on this alone if I were you. If anything the last two years have taught us that we never know what tomorrow will bring medically.

Also, I know nothing about the contract at your current place, wouldn't you be able to move around reserve days to be there for most of your son's milestones over the next few years or drop them by the CPO if you tell them, hey I need to visit this college this weekend with my kid?
 
I get it as well. It’s the biggest checkmark, major airline captains, in the career box that’s left unchecked at this point and it’s right there. Especially after rugs have been pulled out from under you times before it would be hard to wait patiently for an opportunity that should, but isn’t guaranteed to come. I wouldn’t think it was about the money either. The biggest balance I would think would be how to weight that personal goal with decreased time at home. Not easy.

Add me to the list. Long time FO that finally got to upgrade for the first time this year. Job satisfaction has gone through the roof. Best part is by far that it’s very easy to steer the conversation in the flight deck when you’re in charge. At an airline where everyone is butt hurt about politics and talks about it all the time, I haven’t discussed it since I upgraded in march and only once have I ever had to tell them I wasn’t going to discuss it.

There is definitely a sense of relief too in terms of career aspirations. Even if it all ends tomorrow, I proved to myself that I could be a 747 captain, and I think a sort of just ok one too, which is higher than my own expectations.
 
I go to upgrade training on the Guppy in a few weeks, never been a Capt, never flown the plane, and I've been on leave a year and a half. Nice to hear your story and know it's at least somewhat do-able. Hope I didnt bite off too much!

You’re gonna fail the second you walk in and call it Alaskan
 
Honestly, I would upgrade based on this alone if I were you. If anything the last two years have taught us that we never know what tomorrow will bring medically.

Also, I know nothing about the contract at your current place, wouldn't you be able to move around reserve days to be there for most of your son's milestones over the next few years or drop them by the CPO if you tell them, hey I need to visit this college this weekend with my kid?

Now these are the kinds of responses I was hoping to get from the podcast. [emoji23]

Seriously though, we don't have a mechanism to drop or move reserve days outside of trading them with other pilots. And I'm sure I could get away with asking the chief to help out once... maybe twice. But after that he's gonna give me that look that says "just call in sick and quit bothering me" [emoji1]
 
I go to upgrade training on the Guppy in a few weeks, never been a Capt, never flown the plane, and I've been on leave a year and a half. Nice to hear your story and know it's at least somewhat do-able. Hope I didnt bite off too much!

You’ll be fine, just smile until your face hurts. Which bid were you in?
 
Now these are the kinds of responses I was hoping to get from the podcast. [emoji23]

Seriously though, we don't have a mechanism to drop or move reserve days outside of trading them with other pilots. And I'm sure I could get away with asking the chief to help out once... maybe twice. But after that he's gonna give me that look that says "just call in sick and quit bothering me" [emoji1]

I listened to "your" segment on the 21.5 - actually had never listened to/heard of it before this thread.

I know that those dudes have to fill a hour-plus every other week outside of the goofball ads they are reading - but I thought that the advice was really lacking.

Upgrade is a very personal decision. There are so many variables to weigh, it's hard to cover them topically. Especially in a podcast format. (or heck, even in this response in this thread) You really need to take a very deep dive into the financial pro/con math. (and their #'s were "off" IMHO... the 60K they talked about was probably DC plus 8% growth - they didn't mention the access to the extra cash each month and how you choose to save/spend it.) And overall there will be more cash.

Your airline's junior base is in California, look up California KinCare and that is basically the solution to Seggy's bit. And why the CP will just say, "call in sick." Or, call in KinCare as appropriate.

The commute will suck so hard it is indescribable. I speak from way too many years of experience doing the transcon commute. But, I'm 140 days away from being based at home. Not that I am counting. But, after years of the transcon commute... I'm done.

Line vs. Reserve vs. etc. - I can't speak to that at your shop. Along with crashpads. All of that is awful as you get older. Your days are 'longer' with commuting. And added stress. How you handle that is up to you - and some people just roll with it, some don't. I'm in the middle. If I have to come in early, I can live with that. Staying an extra day... that makes me unhappy.

The job itself gets so much more engaging, more fun, more challenging. There are all kinds of professional rewards.

I'll mention the one thing that I loved about upgrading to reserve. All the stress of 'hustling' the schedule evaporated from my life. There are so many pilots that I know that live for schedule manipulation and trip trades. I hate that stuff. I honestly don't care where I fly, or when I fly. I just like it to be consistent and if I had my druthers there are a few places that I prefer over others. But, it's all the same these days. And honestly, the one thing I prefer is 'one and done' days... which my airline does have. And I can usually hold a few of them. 4 duty periods, 4 legs. That kind of thing.

Being on reserve... my bid only took 10 minutes. I'd like these days off. Being on reserve... no schedule hustling. I just answered the phone and said, "where am I going?" It's actually nice compared to hustling to making up the differential between a theoretical senior FO paycheck and a Jr Capt paycheck.

You made a pro/con list. You weighed the options. If you pull the trigger you'll at least be flying with your favorite Capt.
 
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I get that you haven’t been a 121 CA. But let’s be honest here, you spent years (!) as a Walmart Learjet CA, flying left seat, and I can only assume (?) did some training/checking or management role?

It’s not like you haven’t flown left seat jet before. Sure it’s not a 737, but come one now. 2 more yrs the son leaves home, then you have all the time in the world as empty nesters.

I was different in that I had nearly 10k total time before I even touched the left seat of a jet - and delayed the first possible upgrade by only ~8 months.

Hired at an airline Oct 2007. First official chance to be Captain would be effective Dec 2017. So 10 yrs, 2 months for the first chance ever. Delayed upgrade to stay in base (like you). I took the upgrade when they closed my base, I displaced into a CA seat. That was 11 yrs at 121 airline flying before touching any left seat. I would have felt different about it if I had been a CA before in another airplane. But that wasn’t the case, this was the first chance.

IMO 2 yrs will go quick, be there for the son and enjoy HS activities. Once off to college, upgrade. But whatever you decide, good luck and have fun :)
 
I listened to "your" segment on the 21.5 - actually had never listened to/heard of it before this thread.

I know that those dudes have to fill a hour-plus every other week outside of the goofball ads they are reading - but I thought that the advice was really lacking.

You are being to kind to them.


Your airline's junior base is in California, look up California KinCare and that is basically the solution to Seggy's bit. And why the CP will just say, "call in sick." Or, call in KinCare as appropriate.

EXCELLENT point I forgot to mention (I am based in California). A great program that you should definitely check to see how your company handles it.
 
You’ll be fine, just smile until your face hurts. Which bid were you in?

Is that the key to skating through the training center? :D
Vacancy Bid 2022-02 effective Jan. 31st. The company lost me and I got lucky, been sitting at home since Aug. making 85 hr a month training pay.

The real question is when does @Rocketman99 upgrayyed

How senior is he? Capt is pretty junior (11/2017 hire) because reserve sucks more than a Dyson
 
Is that the key to skating through the training center? :D
Vacancy Bid 2022-02 effective Jan. 31st. The company lost me and I got lucky, been sitting at home since Aug. making 85 hr a month training pay.



How senior is he? Capt is pretty junior (11/2017 hire) because reserve sucks more than a Dyson

At the rate things are going in the training department that 11/2017 hire will be lucky to see a class until fall.
 
I commuted from DTW to LAX for two years. My entire reason for working at that airline was to upgrade. I didn't mind the commute. I'd go out the day prior, enjoying the benefits of comfort+ the entire way. Sleep for 10+ in my company provided commuter hotel room. Wake up early and stay on eastern time for the entire trip. Fly one leg back to LAX on day 4, get on the 9:30ish flight to DTW, and make it home in time for dinner. It worked great and set me up to get my current job.
 
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