Midwest: Nation's First "Virtual Airline"

Trip7

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http://www.jsonline.com/business/48120217.html

Many Midwest flights aren't Midwest at all


Increasingly, Republic Airways and its crews fill the schedule

There's a growing chance that the next Midwest Airlines flight you take will actually be on a jet owned and operated by Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
Republic already is flying more than a dozen commuter jets for Midwest under a contract that started last fall. Two more are coming in August, when Midwest will restore nonstop flights to Los Angeles using Republic jets and crews. And later this year, Republic will take over some shorter routes that Midwest now outsources to SkyWest Inc.
If Midwest eventually replaces the last nine Boeing 717s in its own fleet with Republic jets, as Midwest's unions fear may happen this fall, Midwest could become what industry analyst Helane Becker calls the nation's first "virtual airline."
The Midwest brand name would survive. Also, Midwest - which turns 25 years old this month - presumably would continue to have ground employees at Mitchell International Airport and other airports, and would continue operating its Oak Creek reservations center. But the flight crews and aircraft maintenance employees would be from Republic.
It's possible that the Boeing 717s used by Midwest will be turned over to a Mexican airline. Boeing Capital Corp. has agreed to lease 25 Boeing 717s to Mexicana Group. In recent years, Midwest's main fleet consisted of 25 Boeing 717s, but it returned 16 jets to Boeing in September to cut costs.
The September return gave Boeing Capital options to require Midwest to return the remaining nine 717 aircraft with varying notice periods, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
"They're definitely going away," said Bryan Jandorf, spokesman for the Midwest chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association. "It's just a matter of when."
Republic pilots earn about 30% to 50% less than their Midwest counterparts, Jandorf said.
"That's what this is all about," said industry consultant Vaughn Cordle, who operates Airline Forecasts LLC in Arlington, Va.
Midwest spokesman Michael Brophy declined to comment on the airline's future. Brophy has said Midwest plans to continue to operate the Boeing 717s for now, while considering its options for other aircraft.
Midwest also says it would offer its union flight crews positions on the Republic jets, but only if the unions take major pay concessions that Midwest says are needed for the airline to be competitive. The unions have opposed those pay cuts, which they say would gut their labor contracts.
$25 million loan

Republic's role at Midwest, which has 1,640 employees, has been growing since last fall, when Republic lent financially troubled Midwest $25 million.
That loan, which helped Midwest avoid Chapter 11 bankruptcy, comes due in September, according to Republic's annual report. It was tied to the first Midwest-Republic contract, with Embraer 170 jets replacing 16 Boeing 717s, leading to a layoff of 240 Midwest employees.
With last week's expanded contract, Republic lent an additional $6 million to Midwest. It was later disclosed that Midwest will pay SkyWest $4 million to get out of its contract with SkyWest. That payment is guaranteed by Republic.
Also, Republic recently intervened in a federal lawsuit filed against Midwest by Wells Fargo Bank and Polaris Holding Co. The suit said Midwest had fallen behind on jet and jet engine lease payments. Midwest later acknowledged that it owed $4.2 million.
On May 5, a judge ordered Midwest to pay that amount to Wells Fargo and Polaris. But on May 18, that judgment was changed to say that the money was instead owed by Midwest to Republic.
Midwest accounted for about 5% of Republic's regional airline services revenue prior to the recent contract expansions. Republic in 2008 reported total revenue of $1.48 billion and posted net income of $84.6 million. It flies regional routes for larger carriers, such as United Express for United Airlines Inc.
Republic's revenue and profits have grown steadily since it became a publicly traded company in 2004. Its largest customers for flying regional routes include Delta Air Lines Inc., US Airways Inc., United Airlines, Continental Airlines Inc. and American Airlines Inc. Republic carries a lower cost structure than those larger airlines in part because Republic's pilots earn less money, and because Republic isn't burdened with a heavy pension liability, Cordle said.
"They're a little bit more efficient than everybody else," Cordle said.
Small, but growing

While Midwest is one of Republic's smallest contracts, it is a growing piece of Republic's business with the recent expansions. Also, it could bring more revenue if Midwest drops its nine remaining Boeing 717 jets.
Republic spokesman Carlo Bertolini said Midwest is a valued customer with a viable business plan.
But Jandorf, of the Air Line Pilots Association, and Toni Higgins, president of the Midwest chapter of the Association of Flight Attendants, say Midwest's managers have refused to provide details about the company's future. Together, their unions represent around 230 Midwest employees.
Jandorf said the pilots association wants to negotiate a contract so that Midwest employees would fly the Republic jets. But Midwest's union pilots are being asked to take pay and benefits cuts of 40% to 60%, even as management refuses to say what planes or routes those pilots will fly.
"It's ludicrous," Jandorf said.
Midwest has faced questions about its future after record fuel price spikes and a deepening recession devastated the U.S. airline industry in 2008, causing a collective loss of $23.5 billion. Midwest cut service by 40%, among the deepest cuts by a U.S. carrier, and eliminated more than 1,200 jobs.
Midwest reported a loss of $477 million in 2008, according to Department of Transportation reports. Most of that was due to an accounting adjustment and not Midwest's operations, Brophy said last month.
Midwest began regularly scheduled jet service in June 1984. It built a reputation for excellent customer service and was focused mainly on business travelers.
But that strategy ran into trouble in the aftermath of the 2001 recession, with passengers increasingly seeking lower fares.
Midwest in 2007 fended off a hostile takeover attempt by AirTran Holdings Inc., leading to its sale in January 2008 to TPG Capital and Northwest Airlines Corp.
Fort Worth-based TPG Capital, which owns a 53% stake in Midwest, has reportedly written down by about 90% its $239 million investment in Midwest. Northwest last year wrote off its $213 million investment before Northwest was acquired by Delta Air Lines, which now holds a 47% stake in Midwest.
 
More legacy pay rate jobs go bye bye.

A serious question.... What are the options (realistic) to stop this trend of regional takeovers of mainline flights and equipment? I just do not see how scope will be taken back from management unless you're like Continental who did not give it up.
 
A serious question.... What are the options (realistic) to stop this trend of regional takeovers of mainline flights and equipment? I just do not see how scope will be taken back from management unless you're like Continental who did not give it up.

It's up to mainline pilots to protect scope. I think Continental pilots have taken note of the large RJs and Q400 flying around.

You still read plenty of regional pilots on boards banging there heads on the wall asking themselves, "Doesn't CAL realize that 70+ seat RJs are where the money is made?" Basically they're drooling over the prospects of growth at their regional to propel their career a step forward.

Regional pilots will wipe their hands clean every time. "Mainline shouldn't have given up the scope" and "it would be illegal for me not to fly" will be the mantras. In both cases they are right. Of course mainline carriers are looking to them because they do it for such a low cost and that is where they share in the blame.

Hopefully scope stays where it is and nobody else lets loose their grip. Secondarily I hope the RAH/Midwest thing fails as I think it sets a horrible precedent.
 
It's up to mainline pilots to protect scope. I think Continental pilots have taken note of the large RJs and Q400 flying around.

You still read plenty of regional pilots on boards banging there heads on the wall asking themselves, "Doesn't CAL realize that 70+ seat RJs are where the money is made?" Basically they're drooling over the prospects of growth at their regional to propel their career a step forward.

Regional pilots will wipe their hands clean every time. "Mainline shouldn't have given up the scope" and "it would be illegal for me not to fly" will be the mantras. In both cases they are right. Of course mainline carriers are looking to them because they do it for such a low cost and that is where they share in the blame.

Hopefully scope stays where it is and nobody else lets loose their grip. Secondarily I hope the RAH/Midwest thing fails as I think it sets a horrible precedent.

One step forward, five backwards.

I hope these same individuals enjoy their 40+ years flying a damn jet around with 50-100 people in the back for nearly 45% less than what our brothers who came well before us were getting paid.

The amount of ignorance within our profession is just sad.
 
I'm not one to get involved in the 121 threads much...but what happened to Midwest, a good ol' hometown airline, is just crappy.
 
One step forward, five backwards.

I hope these same individuals enjoy their 40+ years flying a damn jet around with 50-100 people in the back for nearly 45% less than what our brothers who came well before us were getting paid.

The amount of ignorance within our profession is just sad.

True sentiment, but your 45% number is flawed - it is much too low. I think Sully makes around $120k (before poetry book deals, etc). My Grandpa made that in the early 80's as a domestic 727 CA for TWA. That money had significantly more purchasing power. We (my parents) had a nice house in an upscale neighborhood on a golf course that was purchased in 1980 brand new- pool in the backyard and everything - Grandpa could have purchased that house for cash on one years pay. I think the formula used to be:

1 months pay = New Cadillac
1 Years pay = Nice new house
 
True sentiment, but your 45% number is flawed - it is much too low. I think Sully makes around $120k (before poetry book deals, etc). My Grandpa made that in the early 80's as a domestic 727 CA for TWA. That money had significantly more purchasing power. We (my parents) had a nice house in an upscale neighborhood on a golf course that was purchased in 1980 brand new- pool in the backyard and everything - Grandpa could have purchased that house for cash on one years pay. I think the formula used to be:

1 months pay = New Cadillac
1 Years pay = Nice new house

Okay, it was much too low.

But don't get hung up on the number. The sentiment is the same no matter what the % figure is. We, sadly, have members of our profession who are willing to take that one step forward (short term gain) without recognizing the negative impact to our long term career prospects (long term gain, five steps backwards for a net of four steps backwards).

I'd rather focus on the ignorance within our profession than the actual figure right now. That's just me.
 
Okay, it was much too low.

But don't get hung up on the number. The sentiment is the same no matter what the % figure is. We, sadly, have members of our profession who are willing to take that one step forward (short term gain) without recognizing the negative impact to our long term career prospects (long term gain, five steps backwards for a net of four steps backwards).

I'd rather focus on the ignorance within our profession than the actual figure right now. That's just me.

Understood. Just wanted to point out how low things have gotten. People are taking incremental steps lower today from todays standards and many of them don't understand that todays standards are so incredibly subpar compared to previous standards.
 
One step forward, five backwards.

I hope these same individuals enjoy their 40+ years flying a damn jet around with 50-100 people in the back for nearly 45% less than what our brothers who came well before us were getting paid.

The amount of ignorance within our profession is just sad.

I agree with your argument but last time I checked you were doing the same thing until you got furloughed. I think everyone agrees that we need to make things better at all levels of aviation but to make yourself sound like you are somehow "better" or "above" the people that are doing the same thing you were doing becfore you got furloughed is asinine.
 
You've got it all figured out Socal.

Read that sentence again.

surreal1221 said:
I hope these same individuals enjoy their 40+ years flying a damn jet around with 50-100 people in the back for nearly 45% less than what our brothers who came well before us were getting paid.

Now, let's consider the quote in which it was a response to:

baronman said:
Basically they're drooling over the prospects of growth at their regional to propel their career a step forward.

So, my response is to Baronman's statement that some people are drooling over the prospects of growth at their regional to propel their career a step forward. Now my statement is in response to that section of his post. My sentiment is one that those who are seeing growth at their company are pretty shortsighted and lack the ability to think long term, unless they plan on flying their "regional jet" for 45-infinity% lower than those who came before them.

Last time you checked, was my company growing? No. Net reduction of 10 airframes over a year is not growth, sorry.

Last time you checked, was my company taking over a national company? No. Nope, we actually have only one mainline partner and have yet to prostitute ourselves out during an RFP process that brings no money to us, unlike some companies who only seek market share.

Last time you checked, was my company flying 76+ seat aircraft? Right, didn't think so. Although I pray the day never comes.

So - what else do you know about me and my company?

Not much right?

We're all eating the same sandwich, except you see, some of us actually don't find any enjoyment in watching the prospect of national airlines being taken over by sub-par regional companies ran by an individual who has wet dreams about owning his own big boy airline - yet he doesn't think it's necessary to pay his employees big boy airline wages.

Most importantly, some of us have career benchmarks that we can evaluate. Thus leading to prudent career expectations. That said, if I'm still flying an RJ around for a regional in 13 years I won't be continuing within the aviation industry. So, you see, I'm not like everyone who wants to keep flying for 40+ years in their regional jet.

Now, you may not be one of those people who are willing to accept short term gains without realizing the negative impacts to the long term movement. But, it'd be silly to think that they're not out there and that their opinions and motivations do not negatively impact the rest of us - within every segment of our industry (135 / 121 / 91).
 
True sentiment, but your 45% number is flawed - it is much too low. I think Sully makes around $120k (before poetry book deals, etc). My Grandpa made that in the early 80's as a domestic 727 CA for TWA. That money had significantly more purchasing power. We (my parents) had a nice house in an upscale neighborhood on a golf course that was purchased in 1980 brand new- pool in the backyard and everything - Grandpa could have purchased that house for cash on one years pay. I think the formula used to be:

1 months pay = New Cadillac
1 Years pay = Nice new house

MD-88 captain pay at Delta in 1989 = roughly $150 an hour. So, if adjusted for inflation an MD-88 captain should make $257 an hour today.

Twelve-year MD-88 captain pay rate today is actually...






Wait for it...












$149.
 
Somewhat related.

The top 1% of income earners in this country back in 1984 earned 9% of the nation's income. In 2004 the top 1% earned 20% of the nation's income.

It's important to recognize that the other 99% of this country have seen their purchasing power decreasing for quite some time now, yet we've been mesmerized by this notion of "capitalism" (the notion spread by the 1%) that we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.
 
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