Mental Health

I do.

Good grief, I’m middle aged myself and I don’t see where the rage comes from. My generation has it fabulous but there’s a lot of anger.

“That house I bought for $285K is only worth $1.4 million, DEPORTATIONS!!” :)

I loved asking annoying questions after rage rants about big increase in costs:

Me: "So what kind of truck do you drive?"

CA: "Oh the new Ford 9000 Deathmachine 5000. I lifted it and added AT tires. Once I hauled some plywood from the home depot."

Me: "So how does that do on gas milage?"
 
I loved asking annoying questions after rage rants about big increase in costs:

Me: "So what kind of truck do you drive?"

CA: "Oh the new Ford 9000 Deathmachine 5000. I lifted it and added AT tires. Once I hauled some plywood from the home depot."

Me: "So how does that do on gas milage?"

But the price of eggs!

I get called a coastal elite (??) because my Doc Martens run $120, but the same people are off freaking out because they found a bottle of “Blanton’s” for $250 in ICN duty free.
 
One of a number of reasons why single pilot flying is king. The crew flying I do part time is out of requirement for the op, not from any desire for crew ops. The above being one of the reasons. :)
It is also nice when there is nobody but yourself to blame when you screw up. I'm not even being facetious - single pilot is really nice for a wide variety of reasons, but for 15min to 6hrs that the door closed (depending on what I was doing) I was the "master" of that particular universe. That's an underrated perk of the job.
 
It is also nice when there is nobody but yourself to blame when you screw up. I'm not even being facetious - single pilot is really nice for a wide variety of reasons, but for 15min to 6hrs that the door closed (depending on what I was doing) I was the "master" of that particular universe. That's an underrated perk of the job.
I like the crew dynamic, because not only does it hold me accountable, but I Iearn more.
 
It is also nice when there is nobody but yourself to blame when you screw up. I'm not even being facetious - single pilot is really nice for a wide variety of reasons, but for 15min to 6hrs that the door closed (depending on what I was doing) I was the "master" of that particular universe. That's an underrated perk of the job.

Agreed. Single pilot is also how I grew up in aviation and what I’m most used to. All my accomplishments are mine, as well as all my screwups are mine. In all my years of aviation, I have yet to have a 100% completely perfect flight in all aspects. I suspect when that day comes, that will be the day to hang it up.
 
Both personal experiences and a lifetime of listening to others experiences who have ongoing issues but careers in aviation that come with an amount of discretion and trust. AKA; liability. I'm 34 now, from the time I was 5 or 6 therapists were thrown at me for my audacious behavior, 100% of the time it's either "let's try meds and see what happens" or "we aren't a good fit, best of luck". A brick wall. I have friends on this site with similar experiences who either couldn't get help or the help tried to bite them. You can't unpack your issues to people you don't trust not to rat you out. Pilots, cops, ect. can't get much out of that kind of relationship.

That's really disappointing to hear and it's well and truly • that you (and your friends) had that kind of experience. I managed to get through childhood without that same experience, but looking back, I suspect that if I was younger (I'm a generation-ish older than you, I think) it might have been a different ballgame. Tangentially....my mother was a therapist in her second life, but she focused mainly on elderly patients. The stories she told me about people who had lived with severe depression for 50 or more years finally getting treatment were both inspiring and heartbreaking. Meds helped a lot in that area, but I also think a world coming around to the idea that mental health is really a *health* issue helped, too.

For what it's worth, I think some of the stigma is...if not lifting, at least softening a bit with respect to the FAA. There are a *lot* of pilots who need help, and there are even ways for them to get it, within the system, now - the major problem seems to be the backlog issue at the FAA in processing the requests, because most pilots can't afford to be grounded for six months awaiting Medical issuance.

There's a long way to go here, and plenty of opportunities for advocacy.
 
I like the crew dynamic, because not only does it hold me accountable, but I Iearn more.
I've been a "good boy" while flying single pilot and I've been a "bad boy" while in a crew. If anything, while I probably "cheated" with the definition of VFR more than I'd care to admit in public when I was flying single-pistons, but SPIFR I was probably more responsible, but this was largely rooted in some personal philosophy choices I made.

Single pilot is like cross country running. The competitor is not another racer - it's yourself and your body telling you to give up. In SPIFR, it's your brain saying "you don't need to study" or "what's another 50', nobody is going to know." Discipline is going missed from the home airport at minimums on your last trip of the day. It feels "good" to be able to say, "yeah, I did the right thing." Self-control is deciding to turn around or going missed when you know it will cost the company (and the people who run it who you may or may not like) a lot of money to not make it in.

It also means determining - sometimes in the heat of the moment - what the right thing to do actually is. Doing that with nobody else's input is hard. That's rewarding in a way I never encountered in a crew, but admittedly maybe only 10-15% of my flight time over my career was in a crew.

Still, holding myself accountable was a rewarding part of single-pilot - I shouldn't need someone else there watching me to hold myself accountable. I shouldn't need a witness around to do the right thing. To me anyway, that's why I loved SPIFR - it was a game against myself. I didn't like it because it was "easier" than flying with a crew, or I could slack off more - indeed quite the opposite - I liked it because it was harder.

Agreed. Single pilot is also how I grew up in aviation and what I’m most used to. All my accomplishments are mine, as well as all my screwups are mine. In all my years of aviation, I have yet to have a 100% completely perfect flight in all aspects. I suspect when that day comes, that will be the day to hang it up.
The closest I ever came to a perfect trip still had a ton of little things I could do much much better and only occurred when conditions were perfect. The following day I was back to being a putz. The fact that you're only as good as your last landing and you're only as good as your last instrument approach is what makes flying a vocation worth pursuing.
 
I've been a "good boy" while flying single pilot and I've been a "bad boy" while in a crew. If anything, while I probably "cheated" with the definition of VFR more than I'd care to admit in public when I was flying single-pistons, but SPIFR I was probably more responsible, but this was largely rooted in some personal philosophy choices I made.

Single pilot is like cross country running. The competitor is not another racer - it's yourself and your body telling you to give up. In SPIFR, it's your brain saying "you don't need to study" or "what's another 50', nobody is going to know." Discipline is going missed from the home airport at minimums on your last trip of the day. It feels "good" to be able to say, "yeah, I did the right thing." Self-control is deciding to turn around or going missed when you know it will cost the company (and the people who run it who you may or may not like) a lot of money to not make it in.

It also means determining - sometimes in the heat of the moment - what the right thing to do actually is. Doing that with nobody else's input is hard. That's rewarding in a way I never encountered in a crew, but admittedly maybe only 10-15% of my flight time over my career was in a crew.

Still, holding myself accountable was a rewarding part of single-pilot - I shouldn't need someone else there watching me to hold myself accountable. I shouldn't need a witness around to do the right thing. To me anyway, that's why I loved SPIFR - it was a game against myself. I didn't like it because it was "easier" than flying with a crew, or I could slack off more - indeed quite the opposite - I liked it because it was harder.

It’s indeed harder, and requires much more to be able to accomplish safely, it’s exactly why in USAF pilot training, those who have the aptitude for single seat are identified, as are those who should probably be in a crew environment. People just operate differently, and things like SPIFR or a single seat tactical jet require a higher level skill set of ability, for the mere reason of the managing the difficulty of changing workload levels yourself. No decisions by committee or any of that which is required in crew ops. Possess the knowledge, skill, and ability to solve all problems at all times yourself, or bad things will happen.
 
It’s indeed harder, and requires much more to be able to accomplish safely, it’s exactly why in USAF pilot training, those who have the aptitude for single seat are identified, as are those who should probably be in a crew environment. People just operate differently, and things like SPIFR or a single seat tactical jet require a higher level skill set of ability, for the mere reason of the managing the difficulty of changing workload levels yourself. No decisions by committee or any of that which is required in crew ops. Possess the knowledge, skill, and ability to solve all problems at all times yourself, or bad things will happen.
I also had a bigger sense of accomplishment after completing a trip single pilot. Knowing that I had done everything and had a successful outcome was very satisfying.
 
I also had a bigger sense of accomplishment after completing a trip single pilot. Knowing that I had done everything and had a successful outcome was very satisfying.

100%. Agreed. There is indeed a satisfaction factor that I don’t get from crew ops.
 
There is a perception that the public wants their pilots to have nerves of steel and strong confidence at all times. How many have had a passenger comment on how are we feeling while they are boarding and peek in the cockpit? Imagine what would happen if someone responded, “Not the best today.” What if that said pilot is going through a divorce or their family member is in the hospital? The FAA needs to understand that pilots are just as human as the social worker or a plumber. I get it, lives are at stake but this draconian system needs some serious reform. We just had a pilot at my company commit suicide a couple weeks back. Was well liked and very social.
 
So what is there out there for a pilot who for lack of a better term, is ok, but just needs someone to talk to in order to sort out some stuff? I imagine we all have stressors, some easier to deal with than others...I know I have family members who have weekly or bi-weekly sessions just to download events / etc. It has felt like my entire career those things are off limits to me.
 
So what is there out there for a pilot who for lack of a better term, is ok, but just needs someone to talk to in order to sort out some stuff? I imagine we all have stressors, some easier to deal with than others...I know I have family members who have weekly or bi-weekly sessions just to download events / etc. It has felt like my entire career those things are off limits to me.
If you were to just vent to a chaplain would that get you dinged? I'm not saying you should embrace a religion, but oftentimes they're available to hear someone out and give advice while also not charging you for it.
 
If you were to just vent to a chaplain would that get you dinged? I'm not saying you should embrace a religion, but oftentimes they're available to hear someone out and give advice while also not charging you for it.

I think for some folks, who that resonates with, a chaplain could be a good form of counseling. But I'd also consider that to be a sort of "preventative" maintenance. Unfortunately, far too many folks allow their feelings to quietly develop into depression, not bothering to burden someone with it....or maybe being too uncomfortable to talk about it....or whatever else. But to your question, I don't think that talking to chaps would be a problem. The • thing about our mental healthcare system, with respect to pilots, is that for a counselor to provide counseling, they frequently have to bill to a diagnosis code. Not always, but in many cases. That is a show stopper, even if it isn't a formal diagnosis by a psychiatrist (at least so I understand, don't quote me). Can come back after a period of downing, but the diagnosis itself is enough. Many people, back to the "preventative maintenance" issue, might want to talk to a professional, but alas, that professional needs to make up a diagnosis to get paid for their time. Again, not in every case, but it is pretty common, unless you can find someone who can charge to a "z code"
 
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Why is this person able to hold a medical cert with an obvious physical issue and someone who's feeling the blues might lose their entire livelihood? I understand this person isn't flying pax for a 121 but flying at night and not being able to rectify dropping their eyeglasses seems almost comical...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGk0lzrwhvg
 
I think for some folks, who that resonates with, a chaplain could be a good form of counseling. But I'd also consider that to be a sort of "preventative" maintenance. Unfortunately, far too many folks allow their feelings to quietly develop into depression, not bothering to burden someone with it....or maybe being too uncomfortable to talk about it....or whatever else. But to your question, I don't think that talking to chaps would be a problem. The • thing about our mental healthcare system, with respect to pilots, is that for a counselor to provide counseling, they frequently have to bill to a diagnosis code. Not always, but in many cases. That is a show stopper, even if it isn't a formal diagnosis by a psychiatrist (at least so I understand, don't quote me). Can come back after a period of downing, but the diagnosis itself is enough. Many people, back to the "preventative maintenance" issue, might want to talk to a professional, but alas, that professional needs to make up a diagnosis to get paid for their time. Again, not in every case, but it is pretty common, unless you can find someone who can charge to a "z code"
The billing is the reason why I brought up a "man of the cloth". I understand religion has been less and less popular in the last few decades. I'm not a religious person, I saw too much hypocrisy during my formative years, but I'm also not an atheist. Sometimes a person just needs someone to listen to them and there are folks out there that have had at least some modicum of training in counseling that are willing to listen for free. I've had some deep conversations with some of these folks sitting around a midnight campfire in the middle of the desert after a few beers. I always felt better in the morning, just saying...
 
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