Man Dragged off United Flight

[ChasenSFO]

I'm quoting newspaper articles and eyewitness reports. In addition to your own words you admitted to them paying out vouchers when the law calls for cash and that accused me and everyone of being entitled for not kissing Uniteds ass over a voucher. Here's your words again below again to remind us that we're all beyond entitled for not dropping to our knees at the thought of a two, four or even six hundred dollar voucher.

Last word of advice, reading comprehension. It saves lives. Happy Holidays.

 

[azmedic]

Dr. Dao: "you'll have to drag me off the plane

Chicago PD: "challenge accepted"


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[ian]

I'm trying to figure out exactly what happened here - can you help me answer these?

- At what point did they stop offering vouchers and move to the IDB process?
- What did the United employee actually say when they initiated the IDB?
- Was there any mention of the required comp prior to IDB notification? After? At what time?
- What happened after the 1st three passengers were removed? Did they receive their comp?
- How were the 1st three passengers removed? Why was Dr. Dao treated differently?
- What was the sequence of events when Dr. Dao refused to de-board?
- What is United's process for a passenger who refuses to de-board?
- Did they ever ask other passengers to de-board after Dr. Dao refused?
- How many attempts to work with Dr. Dao did they try before calling authorities?
- Did United notify Dr. Dao that authorities would be called if he did not de-board?
- What did the United employee tell the authorities about Dr. Dao?
- How did the authorities initially approach Dr. Dao?
- Was Dr. Dao given an opportunity to speak with police, or did they immediately resort to physically removing him?
- How are the authorities trained to remove someone that is not complicit?
- Why was Dr. Dao seemingly dragged through the seats, where he hit his head/face and was badly injured, as opposed to another means of removal?
- Why was he dragged through the cabin in the manner captured on video? Why was he not allowed to collect himself and be escorted out?
- What happened after he was removed from the aircraft? How did he re-board, and what occurred after that to re-remove him?


The answers to these, and so many other questions, would help me personally better understand what actually happened, outside of a 30-second iPhone film. Until there's clarity, I think each of the 3 parties is equally complicit in this awful outcome.

Pretty sure it's only an idb if done at the gate before boarding the airplane...It's something else after boarded.

 

[Ecl!pse]

Pretty sure it's only an idb if done at the gate before boarding the airplane...It's something else after boarded.

Yes - and that's where our disconnect may be. I'm operating under the assumption that the company can still legally issue an "IDB" even after the passengers have physically boarded, or that they can in this scenario. If that is indeed unlawful then I would agree that the premise of my legal argument is incorrect.

@jtrain609 @JOEFRIDAY2 - in this scenario can the airline legally issue an IDB after the passengers have boarded?

 

[mshunter]

I'm quoting newspaper articles and eyewitness reports. In addition to your own words you admitted to them paying out vouchers when the law calls for cash and that accused me and everyone of being entitled for not kissing Uniteds ass over a voucher. Here's your words again below again to remind us that we're all beyond entitled for not dropping to our knees at the thought of a two, four or even six hundred dollar voucher.

If they volunteer to get off when offered a travel voucher, no laws are broken. If you think that the little PR stunt Delta is pulling by offering up to $10k is real money, you're a fool.

 

[jtrain609]

Yes - and that's where our disconnect may be. I'm operating under the assumption that the company can still legally issue an "IDB" even after the passengers have physically boarded, or that they can in this scenario. If that is indeed unlawful then I would agree that the premise of my legal argument is incorrect.

@jtrain609 @JOEFRIDAY2 - in this scenario can the airline legally issue an IDB after the passengers have boarded?

"It depends."

 

[KLB]

Delta is wise enough to know that they will never make it to 10 grand. Someone will break around 3 grand.

I travel twice a month on the airlines. Once to work and once from work. I'll gladly take 2 to 3 grand to get off of a flight on go home day!

I'd practically elbow an old lady trying to be the first up front to volunteer at the 5 grand mark.

Good move Delta! "Smoove move!"

 

[mshunter]

Delta wise enough to know that they will never make it to 10 grand. Someone will break around 3 grand.

I travel twice a month on the airlines. Once to work and once from work. I'll gladly take 2 to 3 grand to get off of a flight on go home day!

I'd practically elbow an old lady trying to be the first up front to volunteer at the 5 grand mark.

Good move Delta! "Smoove move!"

And this is why giving away "Delta Dollars" works so well.

 

[thevideographer]

If you think that the little PR stunt Delta is pulling by offering up to $10k is real money, you're a fool.

I was listening at a gate during their last irop and they were offering $1200 per person on an American Express gift card, plus a hotel and meal vouchers.

 

[JOEFRIDAY2]

Delta wise enough to know that they will never make it to 10 grand. Someone will break around 3 grand.

I travel twice a month on the airlines. Once to work and once from work. I'll gladly take 2 to 3 grand to get off of a flight on go home day!

I'd practically elbow an old lady trying to be the first up front to volunteer at the 5 grand mark.

Good move Delta! "Smoove move!"

I don't even think it will get to 3 grand. It will be like the blackjack tables in Vegas.

Someone will take the offer at $1500 and the rest of the passengers will complain how the $1500 guy messed it up for the rest of the plane because Delta would have gone higher.

 

[mshunter]

I was listening at a gate during their last irop and they were offering $1200 per person on an American Express gift card, plus a hotel and meal vouchers.

Yup, and that's not the norm. I've been over that earlier in the thread.

LAX is one of those stations that does that.

 

[KLB]

And this is why giving away "Delta Dollars" works so well.

I was listening at a gate during their last irop and they were offering $1200 per person on an American Express gift card, plus a hotel and meal vouchers.

I don't even think it will get to 3 grand. It will be like the blackjack tables in Vegas.

Someone will take the offer at $1500 and the rest of the passengers will complain how the $1500 guy messed it up for the rest of the plane because Delta would have gone higher.

Delta definitely wins this round.

 

[mshunter]

Delta definitely wins this round.

No doubt.

 

[Avgirl]

Sheesh, Flight Vouchers are going to turn into a revival of, "Let's Make A Deal!" except you don't have to dress up in a costume, because most pax attire seems to follow a certain "style" if you want to call it that. Have them choose a box for their reward. Will it be a $1,000 flight voucher with a sweet Airport hotel, an emotional support guinea pig, or a seat on the flight next to the guy that may have showered within the last month? Stay tuned!

 

[A Life Aloft]

At least the pax won't be subjected to the rants of someone who works in a hotel. That's sure to be a helluva incentive right there. After five minutes they'd be scrambling to be let off the damn plane.

 

[SeanD]

I think it's entirely possible that the passengers have actually become the bullies and the airlines are just attempting to evolve and unfortunately that requires them to sometimes become aholes.

 

[sorrygottarunway]

I have noticed that since the United incident, passengers have become more "emboldened" to "push back" at our FAs requests...

 

[derg]

I have noticed that since the United incident, passengers have become more "emboldened" to "push back" at our FAs requests...

Yup. They're going to reward bad behavior with millions because they didn't step in front of the story and let social media control the narrative.

 

[Avgirl]

I have noticed that since the United incident, passengers have become more "emboldened" to "push back" at our FAs requests...

I wonder how airlines could realistically curb this in a way that wouldn't create more nightmares for PR. You can't record all the pax, and posting on passenger shaming might not be a good thing...

 

[NovemberEcho]

I wonder how airlines could realistically curb this in a way that wouldn't create more nightmares for PR. You can't record all the pax, and posting on passenger shaming might not be a good thing...

Stop treating pax like cattle would be a good start.