Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

Thanks to all for the info on speeds - it was never really an issue as I put-put-putted along in my Cessna 150
 
jynxyjoe said:
Lemme show you how it can be an issue.

Here, hold my beer!
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Meanwhile, back at Embry Riddle...
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Pilot Fighter said:
4) WSJ only source so far, my concern.
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Not anymore!

Wall Street Journal broke it, but it's now being carried by BBC, Reuters, the LA Times, and others:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...39403486098062.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...39653701712312.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/15/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140315

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26583342

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-malaysia-missing-plane-20140315,0,1682159.story

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/m...lane-piracy-theory-gains-more-credence-495963

NDTV (Via the Associated Press) said:
Another U.S. official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said investigators looking for the plane have run out of clues except for a type of satellite data that has never been used before to find a missing plane, and is very inexact.

The data consists of attempts by an Inmarsat satellite to identify a broad area where the plane might be in case a messaging system aboard the plane should need to connect with the satellite, said the official. The official compared the location attempts, called a "handshake," to someone driving around with their cellphone not in use. As the phone from passes from the range of one cellphone tower to another, the towers note that the phone is in range in case messages need to be sent.

In the case of the Malaysian plane, there were successful attempts by the satellite to roughly locate the Boeing 777 about once an hour over four to five hours, the official said. "This is all brand new to us," the official said. "We've never had to use satellite handshaking as the best possible source of information."

The handshake does not transmit any data on the plane's altitude, airspeed or other information that might help in locating it, the official said. Instead, searchers are trying to use the handshakes to triangulate the general area of where the plane last was known to have been at the last satellite check, the official said.

"It is telling us the airplane was continuing to operate," the official said, plus enough information on location so that the satellite will know how many degrees to turn to adjust its antenna to pick up any messages from the plane.
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That NDTV AP source by far goes into the most detail on the handshaking process. The cell phone tower analogy is very accurate, just replace cell phone towers with geosynchronous Inmarsat satellites. Their orbits keep them stationary over a given part of the earth, so as the plane flew westward from Malaysia it triggered handshake transmissions with new satellites as it went. Think of the process kind of like this, done all automatically through digital messages:

1. Airplane: Sees signal strength from new satellite is better than last, sends request to join new satellite's coverage area.
2. Satellite: Compares one or multiple subscriber ID and serial numbers from the plane against its database of approved subscribers. If the plane passes the test, the satellite sends an approval message back to the airplane.
3. Airplane: Sends an acknowledgement message (commonly called an "ACK" message) back basically saying "roger," and gets "handed-off" to the new satellite.

The whole process is actually very similar to an ATC handoff between sectors, but done automatically through digital messages. Older telecom technology like GSM would run cells on separate radio frequencies, while newer technologies use spread spectrum CDMA technology to run many towers on the same frequency. I am guessing the former based on the age of the system, but either way the "hand-off" concept remains the same. Since there's only four active satellites or so in the Inmarsat constellation, I suspect the plane stayed with the same satellite the whole flight. However given the enormous coverage area (1/4 of the planet), I believe they must either steer the antenna or break it into many smaller sectors served by multiple antennas. Each "ping" would constitute the aircraft passing from one sector to the next, and thus narrow the search area.
 
MikeD said:
I took no offense to @Cptnchia comments, as I know what he's getting at with regards to making a simple commentary on terrorism and any potential that might be involved here. There were no conclusions being drawn, just a simple comment.

When you throw out the racism card at the drop of a hat, it gets diluted in meaning to where when there's a time when it's really appropriate, it means nothing anymore because it's been applied to everything and anything inappropriately, irresponsibly, and willy-nilly.
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I'd argue that pretty much exactly the same could be said for the "terrorism card". When every act becomes an act of terrorism, what is terrorism? Of course, for those sitting in particular positions, that perfect, amorphous, fungible vagueness makes the term "terrorism" the most useful term imaginable.
 
From my understanding, it is considered improper to alter the creation that Allah has made, and this includes shaving a beard. It is to never be cut or shaved.

From the Qur'an

"When Allah, the Blessed, the Merciful, accepted the repentance of Adam (p.b.u.h), Gabriel (as) came to Adam (p.b.u.h) and said, "May Allah grant you a (long) life and bestow beauty upon you" Adam (p.b.u.h) then said, "I understand what you mean by long life, however, I do not understand what you mean by beauty" [Thus, in thanking Allah, his Lord and Master] he went into prostration and when he raised his head from it, he made a supplication and said, "O, Allah, Increase in me the beauty [that you have promised me]", soon after he had made the supplication a beautiful beard appeared on his radiant face. When Gabriel (as) witnessed what had happened, he touched the beard of prophet Adam (p.b.u.h) and said, "This is in response to the supplication you made to your Lord, and it has been granted to you and your male offspring till the day of reckoning".
 
Boyington said:
From my understanding, it is considered improper to alter the creation that Allah has made, and this includes shaving a beard. It is to never be cut or shaved.

From the Qur'an

"When Allah, the Blessed, the Merciful, accepted the repentance of Adam (p.b.u.h), Gabriel (as) came to Adam (p.b.u.h) and said, "May Allah grant you a (long) life and bestow beauty upon you" Adam (p.b.u.h) then said, "I understand what you mean by long life, however, I do not understand what you mean by beauty" [Thus, in thanking Allah, his Lord and Master] he went into prostration and when he raised his head from it, he made a supplication and said, "O, Allah, Increase in me the beauty [that you have promised me]", soon after he had made the supplication a beautiful beard appeared on his radiant face. When Gabriel (as) witnessed what had happened, he touched the beard of prophet Adam (p.b.u.h) and said, "This is in response to the supplication you made to your Lord, and it has been granted to you and your male offspring till the day of reckoning".
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WHERES THE PLANE MAN....


Sorry couldnt help it :)
 
Seggy said:
If you look at the CCTV pictures one of them has a beard/goatee. I am not that up to snuff on my rules of having a Jihad for Allah (NSA PLEASE understand that is a joke and I am trying to explain what I think!) but from my understanding one has to be 'clean shaven' in the Islamic religion if you want to go to Heaven.

So with that (someone correct me if I am wrong) and the other leads I am sure are being worked, they probably have a very clear idea what those Iranians were doing on the airplane.
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Actually, it's more likely the opposite. Muslims that embrace the Haddith (following the traditions of Mohammed) feel that wearing a beard is good. Most Wahhabi clerics or imams wear beards.

As the compass shifts away from fundamentalist Islam, it becomes less of an issue.
 
Had to repost from another forum, at the extreme end of theories.....


Iran's Trojan Horse

The pilot's wife and 2 kids were kidnapped and the pilot was contacted via his cell 15m before takeoff with pics of his family, tied up, gagged, with knives to their throats by masked bad guys. He was given instructions to turn off the transponder, turn to the west, and allow the 2+ Iranian terrorists (fake passports) into the cockpit.
Immediately prior, the two terrorists removed a 250W High Power Waterproof OEM Signal Jammer with Omni-directional Antennas from their overhead luggage and activated it, effectively jamming all cell phone transmissions.

The plane was directed to fly west across Malaysia and then redirected north to Myanmar's (Burma) Hanthawaddy International Airport in the Bago Region; Myanmar which is located about 50 miles (80 km) away from Yangon. This is a remote airstrip that was under construction and not expected to be opened until 2018; however, which was controlled by Syrian Islamists.

The plane landed without incident and was taxied to a hanger under contruction where it was boarded by more Islamists with fully automatic weapons, including a highly trained Iranian Military pilot and 3 member flight crew. The Maylasian pilot and crew were taken outside and executed in a manner visible to the passengers. The pilot's wife and kids were simultaneously killed and subsequently buried in a remote field after the plane landed.
The plane's communication electronics were completely disabled (turned off the satellite transmissions that tipped off authorities that the plane had not crashed and in fact this oversight was reported in the news). Once this was completed, the plane lifted off and turned to fly south across the Bay of Bengal and around the tip of India... then turned northwest over the Arabian Sea enroute to Iran. The plane was subsequently landed at Gonbad-e Qabus airport (also underconstruction) in the north eastern section of Iran.

The hostages were moved to a remote prison to be held indefinitely.

The plane was stripped of all Malaysian air identification and paint. It was then repainted to the specs of an Turkish Airlines 777 plane. The plane was retrofitted with military grade electronics (including electronic countermeasures (ECM) and radar warning (RWR) systems, chaff/flare dispensers; all pulled from a retired F14 Tomcat based in Iran from 2003). Additionally, the jet was equipped and armed with a fully operational nuclear bomb from Iran's now functional nuclear weapons program using the 240 pounds of 84% enriched Uranium from Natanz. This device was expected to produce a yield of 22 kiloton (40% bigger than Little Boy) and have an effective blast radius of 4.5 miles.

Only April 14th, the Islamists bribed a local official at Trabzon (TZX) Turkey to enable the swapping of the Turkish Airlines TK 2837 airplane with the nuke equipped 777 that will now utilize the transponder from 2837.
The plane departed TZX and skipped the scheduled landing in IST. Upon arriving near JFK, the plane's transponder was turned off and rapidly descended to 5000 feet with ECM activated... The FAA repeated the same mistake from 9-11 and doesn't notify NORAD about this anomoly as they investigated the details of the missing flight TK 2837. The plane turned southwest and proceeded across Philadelphia and towards the ultimate destination of Washington DC, where 4 F16's are scrambled from the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley Air Force Base.
As the fighters approach flight TK 2837, they noticed the ECM pod below the left wing of the 777 and declared the flight hostile. NORAD confirms via Presidential WH hotline that VP Joe Biden had authorized the shoot down of the 777. As the fighters engaged for a AIM-9 Sidewinder missile shot, the Iranian pilot deployed the chaff & flares causing the missile to miss... by this time the flight was within 3 miles of Washington DC... The pilot activated the trigger mechanism on his flight stick to the nuclear device causing an immediate detonation almost twice the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima causing catastrophic damage across Washington DC and the eastern seaboard.
The End of the World as we know it and the beginning of WW III...
 
canadian_atc said:
Had to repost from another forum, at the extreme end of theories.....


Iran's Trojan Horse

The pilot's wife and 2 kids were kidnapped and the pilot was contacted via his cell 15m before takeoff with pics of his family, tied up, gagged, with knives to their throats by masked bad guys. He was given instructions to turn off the transponder, turn to the west, and allow the 2+ Iranian terrorists (fake passports) into the cockpit.
Immediately prior, the two terrorists removed a 250W High Power Waterproof OEM Signal Jammer with Omni-directional Antennas from their overhead luggage and activated it, effectively jamming all cell phone transmissions.

The plane was directed to fly west across Malaysia and then redirected north to Myanmar's (Burma) Hanthawaddy International Airport in the Bago Region; Myanmar which is located about 50 miles (80 km) away from Yangon. This is a remote airstrip that was under construction and not expected to be opened until 2018; however, which was controlled by Syrian Islamists.

The plane landed without incident and was taxied to a hanger under contruction where it was boarded by more Islamists with fully automatic weapons, including a highly trained Iranian Military pilot and 3 member flight crew. The Maylasian pilot and crew were taken outside and executed in a manner visible to the passengers. The pilot's wife and kids were simultaneously killed and subsequently buried in a remote field after the plane landed.
The plane's communication electronics were completely disabled (turned off the satellite transmissions that tipped off authorities that the plane had not crashed and in fact this oversight was reported in the news). Once this was completed, the plane lifted off and turned to fly south across the Bay of Bengal and around the tip of India... then turned northwest over the Arabian Sea enroute to Iran. The plane was subsequently landed at Gonbad-e Qabus airport (also underconstruction) in the north eastern section of Iran.

The hostages were moved to a remote prison to be held indefinitely.

The plane was stripped of all Malaysian air identification and paint. It was then repainted to the specs of an Turkish Airlines 777 plane. The plane was retrofitted with military grade electronics (including electronic countermeasures (ECM) and radar warning (RWR) systems, chaff/flare dispensers; all pulled from a retired F14 Tomcat based in Iran from 2003). Additionally, the jet was equipped and armed with a fully operational nuclear bomb from Iran's now functional nuclear weapons program using the 240 pounds of 84% enriched Uranium from Natanz. This device was expected to produce a yield of 22 kiloton (40% bigger than Little Boy) and have an effective blast radius of 4.5 miles.

Only April 14th, the Islamists bribed a local official at Trabzon (TZX) Turkey to enable the swapping of the Turkish Airlines TK 2837 airplane with the nuke equipped 777 that will now utilize the transponder from 2837.
The plane departed TZX and skipped the scheduled landing in IST. Upon arriving near JFK, the plane's transponder was turned off and rapidly descended to 5000 feet with ECM activated... The FAA repeated the same mistake from 9-11 and doesn't notify NORAD about this anomoly as they investigated the details of the missing flight TK 2837. The plane turned southwest and proceeded across Philadelphia and towards the ultimate destination of Washington DC, where 4 F16's are scrambled from the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley Air Force Base.
As the fighters approach flight TK 2837, they noticed the ECM pod below the left wing of the 777 and declared the flight hostile. NORAD confirms via Presidential WH hotline that VP Joe Biden had authorized the shoot down of the 777. As the fighters engaged for a AIM-9 Sidewinder missile shot, the Iranian pilot deployed the chaff & flares causing the missile to miss... by this time the flight was within 3 miles of Washington DC... The pilot activated the trigger mechanism on his flight stick to the nuclear device causing an immediate detonation almost twice the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima causing catastrophic damage across Washington DC and the eastern seaboard.
The End of the World as we know it and the beginning of WW III...
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Soooo, world ends April 14th-ish? Kick ass! Screw you AMEX! Just try and get that payment from me now.
 
canadian_atc said:
Had to repost from another forum, at the extreme end of theories.....


Iran's Trojan Horse

The pilot's wife and 2 kids were kidnapped and the pilot was contacted via his cell 15m before takeoff with pics of his family, tied up, gagged, with knives to their throats by masked bad guys. He was given instructions to turn off the transponder, turn to the west, and allow the 2+ Iranian terrorists (fake passports) into the cockpit.
Immediately prior, the two terrorists removed a 250W High Power Waterproof OEM Signal Jammer with Omni-directional Antennas from their overhead luggage and activated it, effectively jamming all cell phone transmissions.

The plane was directed to fly west across Malaysia and then redirected north to Myanmar's (Burma) Hanthawaddy International Airport in the Bago Region; Myanmar which is located about 50 miles (80 km) away from Yangon. This is a remote airstrip that was under construction and not expected to be opened until 2018; however, which was controlled by Syrian Islamists.

The plane landed without incident and was taxied to a hanger under contruction where it was boarded by more Islamists with fully automatic weapons, including a highly trained Iranian Military pilot and 3 member flight crew. The Maylasian pilot and crew were taken outside and executed in a manner visible to the passengers. The pilot's wife and kids were simultaneously killed and subsequently buried in a remote field after the plane landed.
The plane's communication electronics were completely disabled (turned off the satellite transmissions that tipped off authorities that the plane had not crashed and in fact this oversight was reported in the news). Once this was completed, the plane lifted off and turned to fly south across the Bay of Bengal and around the tip of India... then turned northwest over the Arabian Sea enroute to Iran. The plane was subsequently landed at Gonbad-e Qabus airport (also underconstruction) in the north eastern section of Iran.

The hostages were moved to a remote prison to be held indefinitely.

The plane was stripped of all Malaysian air identification and paint. It was then repainted to the specs of an Turkish Airlines 777 plane. The plane was retrofitted with military grade electronics (including electronic countermeasures (ECM) and radar warning (RWR) systems, chaff/flare dispensers; all pulled from a retired F14 Tomcat based in Iran from 2003). Additionally, the jet was equipped and armed with a fully operational nuclear bomb from Iran's now functional nuclear weapons program using the 240 pounds of 84% enriched Uranium from Natanz. This device was expected to produce a yield of 22 kiloton (40% bigger than Little Boy) and have an effective blast radius of 4.5 miles.

Only April 14th, the Islamists bribed a local official at Trabzon (TZX) Turkey to enable the swapping of the Turkish Airlines TK 2837 airplane with the nuke equipped 777 that will now utilize the transponder from 2837.
The plane departed TZX and skipped the scheduled landing in IST. Upon arriving near JFK, the plane's transponder was turned off and rapidly descended to 5000 feet with ECM activated... The FAA repeated the same mistake from 9-11 and doesn't notify NORAD about this anomoly as they investigated the details of the missing flight TK 2837. The plane turned southwest and proceeded across Philadelphia and towards the ultimate destination of Washington DC, where 4 F16's are scrambled from the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley Air Force Base.
As the fighters approach flight TK 2837, they noticed the ECM pod below the left wing of the 777 and declared the flight hostile. NORAD confirms via Presidential WH hotline that VP Joe Biden had authorized the shoot down of the 777. As the fighters engaged for a AIM-9 Sidewinder missile shot, the Iranian pilot deployed the chaff & flares causing the missile to miss... by this time the flight was within 3 miles of Washington DC... The pilot activated the trigger mechanism on his flight stick to the nuclear device causing an immediate detonation almost twice the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima causing catastrophic damage across Washington DC and the eastern seaboard.
The End of the World as we know it and the beginning of WW III...
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