Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

Sadly, I fly an old beast with none of the fancy gizmos that go "beep". Any of you ACARS experts care to elaborate on what info exactly is transmitted? I'm having trouble grocking how it is now "known" that the engines kept turning for 4 additional hours, but there seems to be no better take on where those engines took the plane... What's up with that?
 
gotWXdagain said:
Why are all the terrorists muslim?

Hint, they aren't.
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OK, I get your point However, most air piracy, perpetuated as an act of terrorism, as opposed to the "Take me to Cuba" types, were commited by Muslims. Christian, communism, and anarchist terrorism, left and right wing, tends to lean more towards bombs against fixed targets. What I was trying to say, poorly, was that I don't believe that this was a terrorist related event. Frankly, talk of terrorism, stealing the plane for defarious purposes, is rather silly. There are so many easier ways to gain access and control of an airplane for dastardly deeds than jacking one in flight. I may be wrong, but I think that there is a more incident/system failure issue that happened.
 
Crop Duster said:
Sadly, I fly an old beast with none of the fancy gizmos that go "beep". Any of you ACARS experts care to elaborate on what info exactly is transmitted? I'm having trouble grocking how it is now "known" that the engines kept turning for 4 additional hours, but there seems to be no better take on where those engines took the plane... What's up with that?
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Go back and read my posts (along with BobDDuck and others), starting with #1045 on page 53. That's the whole reason I wrote it!
http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/malaysia-airlines-777-missing.195373/page-53#post-2253523
 
It took 61 pages of this thread for someone to throw a blanket statement out about terrorism and it's 'link' to Islam/Muslims. We have SUCH LITTLE information about what happened to this flight, how does the link go from terrorism (which is a possibility) to terrorism and Islam? Come on! We don't even know where the plane is down or how, and we're throwing a demographic of people under the bus...
 
Crop Duster said:
Well, yeah, but no one knew it was missing when Button slipped the formation buttonhole and passed over on his way to "landing" atop the Colorado mountain. I grew up with hogs at 100 agl all the time. After awhile, you really don't notice 'em much anymore, at least not in the sense of anything being particularly out of the ordinary.
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You grew up with them, sure. But in an area they're not normally seen, especially an urban or semi-urban, one would think they're be noticed because they're extremely out of the ordinary being where they usually aren't.
 
gotWXdagain said:
Racist, Xenophobic, whatever. Seems like Cptnchia explained his point better anyway.
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I took no offense to @Cptnchia comments, as I know what he's getting at with regards to making a simple commentary on terrorism and any potential that might be involved here. There were no conclusions being drawn, just a simple comment.

When you throw out the racism card at the drop of a hat, it gets diluted in meaning to where when there's a time when it's really appropriate, it means nothing anymore because it's been applied to everything and anything inappropriately, irresponsibly, and willy-nilly.

If there was a terrorist act, there's a better than even chance that there would be middle eastern backing behind it. Certainly much more of a chance of that than it being the work of, say, the Japanese Red Army, the IRA, the Khmer Rouge, or the FARC. That's the only point I was reading.

But then again, I also don't read racism into every single little thing I see, nor do I get offended at the instant drop of a hat at every little thing I hear. I'm a bit more bigger picture than that.
 
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MikeD said:
Craig Button stole an A-10 in broad daylight west of Tucson, and took it at very low level east of Casa Grande, and over the eastern side of Mesa/Apache Junction and out of the lakes northeast of the PHX metro area......all VERY populated areas.......and NO ONE remembered seeing an A-10 jet passing over all of these rural/semi-urban (at the time) areas at extreme low level, in the middle of the afternoon, on his way to Colorado.
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Events of April 2, 1997


An A-10 Thunderbolt II similar to the one flown by Captain Craig D. Button
Captain Button took off in his single-seat A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft on a training mission with two other A-10s from Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona. His jet was armed with four Mk-82 bombs, 60 magnesium flares, 120 metal chaff canisters and 575 rounds of 30-millimeter ammunition.[15] This training mission would have been the first time Captain Button dropped live ordnance.[16]

Near Gila Bend, Arizona, after being refueled in-flight, Captain Button unexpectedly broke formation. He flew in a northeasterly direction towards the Four Corners area of Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah. His jet was spotted numerous times by observers on the ground. One observer, an off-duty pilot, said the jet appeared to maneuver around bad weather. This observation suggested to the Air Force that the aircraft was being flown manually and purposefully.[17] The flight was tracked by radar in Phoenix, Albuquerque and Denver. But because Captain Button's transponder was turned off, the aircraft was only tracked, not identified. It was only after analyzing radar data later that investigators were able to track Button's flight.

The jet zig-zagged near the end of its flight. It was last spotted in the air about 100 miles (160 km) west of Denver.[18] The jet impacted terrain about 15 miles (24 km) SW of Vail, Colorado, on Gold Dust Peak (39°28′44″N 106°35′40″WCoordinates:
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39°28′44″N 106°35′40″W) in a remote part of Eagle County. The Air Force concluded the jet probably had two to five minutes of fuel remaining when it crashed.[19] The impact occurred at about 13,200 feet (4,000 m) of elevation, just 100 feet (30 m) below the summit. The debris field was over a quarter-mile-square area (0.64 km2). Pieces of the canopy and cockpit went over a ridge.[20]
 
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]What the continuous pings do reveal is that aircraft was at least 2.200nm from its last known position and still flying - potentially widening the search parameters for the craft. It also indicates that the Boing 777 remained intact throughout these hours and was not destroyed nor had suffered a suden catastrophic event. The new claims have turned attention back on to the Captain and first officer...[/QUOTE]

No link sorry I'm looking to verify this
 
fholbert said:
Events His jet was spotted numerous times by observers on the ground. One observer, an off-duty pilot, said the jet appeared to maneuver around bad weather.
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Oh some people did notice it. But for the route he took and where he flew by, the number of people who did not notice anything out of the ordinary, for the number of people living in and around those areas, was astounding. Believe me, I was here for that.
 
As I asked earlier, is it possible there was another pilot jumping? Someone who could have held the crew hostage and would have known the systems?
 
CNN just reported that a Reuter source has said that the radar suggests that the plane was "deliberately flown" to the Andaman Islands. Still waiting on the full story.
 
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