Life at Compass

poser765 said:
I've been corrected by several captains for doing this (one of the a LCA). What am I missing? Does the ACARS burn more gas to get 2 or even *gasp* 3 runways checked? Are we charged for ACARS by the character? The LCA told me it was because they take longer to get back. So what? I'm willing to wait 17 seconds instead of the 13 to get the data back if it means we don't have to stop out on the taxi way like boobs while we wait to "run the numbers."
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Is it written anywhere you can't do this? I feel like this is one of those things that started with one guy's pet peeve and somehow turned into a compass urban legend and now everyone believes it.
 
When I first read the that you guys only send for 1 runway I was initially very curious about that practice as it seems inefficient from a preparation standpoint.

Then I considered that management only wants 1 runway loaded, perf 'd and briefed thereby reducing the total potential for errors.

Overkill? Maybe, maybe not. It does sound like a procedure-heavy shop, but I'm not writing the checks...

I'd never read the reg quoted above about holding the checklist, and I might of seen people uhum read it clipped to the horns. As silly as it is, I guess "they" won't be doing that anymore! It couldn't be more clear it seems.




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si-fly said:
Is it written anywhere you can't do this? I feel like this is one of those things that started with one guy's pet peeve and somehow turned into a compass urban legend and now everyone believes it.
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It was in a memo.
 
JLF said:
When I first read the that you guys only send for 1 runway I was initially very curious about that practice as it seems inefficient from a preparation standpoint.

Then I considered that management only wants 1 runway loaded, perf 'd and briefed thereby reducing the total potential for errors.

Overkill? Maybe, maybe not. It does sound like a procedure-heavy shop, but I'm not writing the checks...

I'd never read the reg quoted above about holding the checklist, and I might of seen people uhum read it clipped to the horns. As silly as it is, I guess "they" won't be doing that anymore! It couldn't be more clear it seems.




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This isn't why. They've said that they only want one runway sent for in order to speed the process of getting takeoff data, in order to get the brake dropped sooner. Unlike other shops, Compass doesn't drop the brake until they have takeoff data and are cleared to push.
 
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ian said:
The only time I ever sent for one runway only was if the airport only had one runway. Every other time I sent for two or three....not a single captain said a thing to me about it.....compass management has proven time and time again they prefer to do things harder not smarter
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Exactly...and harder for some of these people would be to get one runway then have to send out for ANOTHER runway when we get a change.

JLF said:
When I first read the that you guys only send for 1 runway I was initially very curious about that practice as it seems inefficient from a preparation standpoint.

Then I considered that management only wants 1 runway loaded, perf 'd and briefed thereby reducing the total potential for errors.

Overkill? Maybe, maybe not. It does sound like a procedure-heavy shop, but I'm not writing the checks...

I'd never read the reg quoted above about holding the checklist, and I might of seen people uhum read it clipped to the horns. As silly as it is, I guess "they" won't be doing that anymore! It couldn't be more clear it seems.




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Well really the only thing you can do is load, perf, and brief one runway...regardless of how many runways I get data for. I mean, only one runway ever gets put into the fms, so the airplane only recognizes one runway. What comes back in the ACARS is just archived in case we need it.

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It was in a memo.
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What memo was this? Maybe it was before my time.
 
jtrain609 said:
This isn't why. They've said that they only want one runway sent for in order to speed the process of getting takeoff data, in order to get the brake dropped sooner. Unlike other shops, Compass doesn't drop the brake until they have takeoff data and are cleared to push.
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Which is pretty ridiculous (and supposedly in the process of being changed). I mean really the added time it takes to get one runway back vs three is not that substantial...and really, if the added time it takes to get a return on ACARS is enough to bust D0, there were some failures earlier in the process. TO ME that seems like putting a bandaid on your toe when you scrape your knee.
 
Granted, I wasn't a captain there for very long, but I loved FOs who had the foresight to send for multiple runways. Showed good situational awareness in my book.

That being said, I never paid much attention to when I dropped the brake other than if everything was done and we were ready to go I dropped it and if we weren't I didn't. Never heard a peep about it from the bossmen.

As for the level of standardization in the call outs and checklist stuff, don't be too down on it. You'll probably wind up missing it at the next gig when every captain has a different way of telling you to set the flaps, start an engine, shut down an engine, etc...

It can seem a bit much, but the disciplined approach at Compass will serve you well down the road.

That's my $.02 anyhow.
 
poser765 said:
Exactly...and harder for some of these people would be to get one runway then have to send out for ANOTHER runway when we get a change.

Well really the only thing you can do is load, perf, and brief one runway...regardless of how many runways I get data for. I mean, only one runway ever gets put into the fms, so the airplane only recognizes one runway. What comes back in the ACARS is just archived in case we need it.

What memo was this? Maybe it was before my time.
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A while ago. I don't remember if it was a memo or chief pilot newsletter, but it was there.
 
Just fly the plane how they want you to. None of us own the plane or airline. They pay me to fly it a certain way so I say "yes sir" and do it. If you want to change it get into the Standardization department or buy the airline. It isn't that hard.
 
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Also in LA they need to capture you with the tug, soo...

I'm one of those FOs that read the memo ... I never interpreted it to say you could only send for one.. I still send for several runways of takeoff data (if likely). The fields are there... It depends where you are. In LAX, obviously you're sending for two. In SEA, with the center runway closed, you just need one. I can't find the memo anymore, but I thought the gist of it was that it coulllld induce delay if you were adding a bunch of runways for no reason. But I'm supposed to get the CLR at D-5... and they're trying to close the door by D-3... so... plenty of time there to get and load the numbers. Now on the other hand when the gate agent can't seem to get your paperwork printed until D6 like happened the other day... or MX not having cleared a MEL that was fixed and sending the amendment D+8... well.. nothing we can do about that except report, report, report. And yes, it does facilitate a quicker runway change if we have numbers... I can get into acars view performance much quicker than takeoff conditions page, send, datalink no comm.............

All the WBCM says is.. Note: Selecting additional runways and surface contamination combinations increase processing time.
Doesn't say it's prohibited..
 
woutlaw said:
Granted, I wasn't a captain there for very long, but I loved FOs who had the foresight to send for multiple runways. Showed good situational awareness in my book.

That being said, I never paid much attention to when I dropped the brake other than if everything was done and we were ready to go I dropped it and if we weren't I didn't. Never heard a peep about it from the bossmen.

As for the level of standardization in the call outs and checklist stuff, don't be too down on it. You'll probably wind up missing it at the next gig when every captain has a different way of telling you to set the flaps, start an engine, shut down an engine, etc...

It can seem a bit much, but the disciplined approach at Compass will serve you well down the road.

That's my $.02 anyhow.
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I wouldn't want to call a guy named Captain Outlaw and question him either.
Atleast you wore your hat.
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jtrain609 said:
This isn't why. They've said that they only want one runway sent for in order to speed the process of getting takeoff data, in order to get the brake dropped sooner. Unlike other shops, Compass doesn't drop the brake until they have takeoff data and are cleared to push.
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Not to completely derail this thread from the QRH discussion,and I apologize if I missed it in the thread earlier,but is it worth signing up for the AA flight bennies or just doing ZEDs as needed?


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azmedic said:
Not to completely derail this thread from the QRH discussion,and I apologize if I missed it in the thread earlier,but is it worth signing up for the AA flight bennies or just doing ZEDs as needed?


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You have a family that would use them? If so, it's worth it. Just took the wife and kids to Hawaii and pay a penny on top of the yearly fee. Sent in listing request and had it back in a few hours.


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MusketeerMan said:
You have a family that would use them? If so, it's worth it. Just took the wife and kids to Hawaii and pay a penny on top of the yearly fee. Sent in listing request and had it back in a few hours.


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Absolutely! My 5 year old is practically begging me to take him traveling so having another option would be great. Thankfully everything is done electronically these days too. My first job we had to send requests to the pass bureau 2 weeks in advance for paper tickets. That was a hassle.


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azmedic said:
Not to completely derail this thread from the QRH discussion,and I apologize if I missed it in the thread earlier,but is it worth signing up for the AA flight bennies or just doing ZEDs as needed?


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I will second that it's worth it. Used as a backup to Delta, it's saved me more than once.

Best way to use them as a backup:

If you know the city paring and what day your going to travel list for the last flight of the day. When you show up at the airport for the same city paring just tell a gate agent or check in person your listed on the last flight and wanted to move up to an earlier one. Or change route ask that as well. They just need an intial listing to work with and you can essentially just keep changing it to whenever and wherever.

If you list for the first flight and don't check in, the listing disappears. No good.

Also I list for multiple days if I want flexibity. I know this is bad practice but it's the only way to do it with this 3 biz days in advance non sense. Only check in the day you want to fly though.
 
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