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That's what she said
DESTROYED
Life at Compass
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JetDoc
Pit Bull Wrangler
"I'm movin' on up, to the east side, to deeeee-lux apartment in the sky.... " You kids won't get it. The older folk around here will.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
As predicted, Compass is on the way down the tubes. There's no more quick upgrade there.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
It's been on the way down the tubes since you got hired.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
OMG... the three year upgrade! The horrors!
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Hate the player, not the game. Or does it go don't hate the player, hate the game?
Oh, wait, I am the player. Crap.
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MusketeerMan
Well-Known Member
For sure. Even the crap hole of Republic was buying them back at $5k a week.Had to resurrect this thread from the depth of page 2
Anyway, just noticed the email where the company is asking captains to postpone April vacations...probably a sign of things to come all summer. They list alternatives as rescheduling, being paid out, or postponing vacation until 2017. What's the incentive in those options? How about postponing at 1.5 pay, or being paid out at 1.5 pay, or 2017 with a couple additional days thrown in?
What's with this we need something from you but won't give you anything in return mentality?
JetDoc
Pit Bull Wrangler
Actually they are pretty cool. They are just trying to deal with a problem, again caused by mainline about having to go to a job fair and lick boots in order to be perhaps, maybe, if they bring a cake or slip a recruiter a C-note when they get their 90 seconds of facetime after standing in line all day, considered for an interview.
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ian
Well-Known Member
agree to disagree.
the last ones were great, two of the current ones are pretty good...
edit: make that one of the current ones, was just informed one of them no longer works there.
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Old Dominion Flyer
Well-Known Member
I'm on leave, and I don't receive the all pilot emails. What did I miss?
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Okay, so in all seriousness, some of you more experienced folks need to hit me with some science about using sick leave to get days off in the airline biz.
To me, as an outsider/newbie, if a pilot is calling in sick when they aren't, so that they can do personal stuff on days they couldn't otherwise have off, it seems like abuse of the system. Is using your sick leave as an alternate form of vacation/leave a typical thing out there in the 121 world?
I hate the whole, "a couple of you are screwing up, so we're going to punish everyone for it." That is a terrible management style (had enough of that kindergarten treatment while in the military, thanks)...but is it any worse than pilots who are not being honest about being sick?
In this Compass email we appear to have a manager who is calling a spade a spade, and his plan is in accordance with the CBA...so, what is the problem with that, other than the "everyone wears diapers" management fallacy? Is it that the CBA requires the Chief Pilot to suspect abuse by a particular pilot in order to ask for a doc note?
There are a number of things culturally different about the airline biz, and maybe this is one of 'em. I'm interested in enlightenment from those of you who've been around the block a lot more than I.
To me, as an outsider/newbie, if a pilot is calling in sick when they aren't, so that they can do personal stuff on days they couldn't otherwise have off, it seems like abuse of the system. Is using your sick leave as an alternate form of vacation/leave a typical thing out there in the 121 world?
I hate the whole, "a couple of you are screwing up, so we're going to punish everyone for it." That is a terrible management style (had enough of that kindergarten treatment while in the military, thanks)...but is it any worse than pilots who are not being honest about being sick?
In this Compass email we appear to have a manager who is calling a spade a spade, and his plan is in accordance with the CBA...so, what is the problem with that, other than the "everyone wears diapers" management fallacy? Is it that the CBA requires the Chief Pilot to suspect abuse by a particular pilot in order to ask for a doc note?
There are a number of things culturally different about the airline biz, and maybe this is one of 'em. I'm interested in enlightenment from those of you who've been around the block a lot more than I.
ian
Well-Known Member
It is an abuse of the sick system. However, some will argue that they earned that time and can use it how they see fit. I left with sick time still on the books but Compass really promotes sick leave abuse with their use it or lose it system. If they paid it out, it wouldn't be abused near as much. For example, I called in sick one time during my time there. When I sent in my resignation I had 28 hours of sick time left. They cap out the sick time you can donate at 20 hours, so I was left with 8 hours that went to waste.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Put very simply, @amorris311 @L-16B and myself were surprised when one of your new CPOs was recently named. I will leave it at that...
However, why did Compass need to go on the outside for a CPO? What is this person's management experience? Why didn't they promote from within? Did they just want a yes man to Mike White?
You don't need to go to a job fair to get hired at any mainline. Yes, they can help, but not needed.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
First and foremost, it is your professional responsibility that you show up well rested, in a good mental place, and well to complete your duties.
With the above said, put simply, airline management knows folks will use their sick leave if they need time off, yes, even for personal stuff.
I spent hours staring at Jerry Glass and the rest of the Ford and Harrison team discussing this. We made our point, and they have known this for decades, that if a pilot needs time off on a specific day, for whatever reason, they will be calling in sick and not showing up for work. With company limitations on trip trading, bid constraints with PBS, not having a good working relationship with the CPO where they can give drops for no credit, etc., all leads to a culture of folks just calling in sick when they need time off.
Once again, management knows pilots will call in sick for personal stuff, or yes, even job fairs.
I can't emphasize enough the surprise @amorris311 , @L-16B , and I had when your new CPO was announced. This type of letter is very terrible management.
Once again, the company knows pilots will call in sick on those days every handful of years they absolutely NEED off. 99% are able to get it off, but if you can't bid around it to get it off, trade around it, have the CPO drop it, pilots will call in sick. How can you or anyone judge about honesty and being sick? To me, if you spend hundreds of dollars to get off for a career fair with registration fees, fast passes, etc., try to bid for it off, but can't get it or try to trade for it off, I would be stressed if I lost that money and had to work.
On the flip side about being honest and sick, I think it is worse when someone is hacking a lung next to you and refuses to call in sick because they 'want to build their time' or 'woke up sick the morning of the trip but was afraid of the last minute sick call'. Thanks to those spineless asses and draconian sick policies, I had to use sick time because of someone else.
This isn't a spade a spade. One thing you don't do as a regional manager is hurt or harass your guys and gals and their chances moving on with their careers. They should offer drops without pay and then double time for those that pick up trips on the days around the fair. For ALPA to have that letter written up, saying they are going to grieve it, shows that management's team incompetence.
Once again, airline management knows pilots will call in sick for personal use. They put this big dog and pony show around sick time sometime, like they are doing here, but at the end of the day, it is your negotiated benefit, they get in trouble all the time for trying to provide commentary if someone is sick, and it is extremely difficult to discipline someone for using sick time, yes, even for personal use.
One more thing. In my experience, sick leave problems are very low. 99% of us find other ways to get the days off we need. Those that legitimately have sick leave problems have substance abuse problems and usually end up at the HIMS program.
Now, I say all of this with the words consult your union rep if you are a Compass pilot on how to handle this situation. Also, don't lie to a recruiter.
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