Leave UAL for FDX?

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Problem with that is no mins, "qualified" is a joke of a term. Qualified these days literally means ATP mins. So no, a mid 20s getting hired at a legacy most likely had more so to do with their connections than it did being actually more qualified than a guy in his 40s at a regional with a degree and volunteer work.
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I didn't know anyone at DL when I got picked up... so this whole having all to do with "connections" thing falls flat on its face. There are numerous factors. Ticking people off for years on various message boards I'm sure hasn't helped you. ;)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Problem with that is no mins, "qualified" is a joke of a term. Qualified these days literally means ATP mins. So no, a mid 20s getting hired at a legacy most likely had more so to do with their connections than it did being actually more qualified than a guy in his 40s at a regional with a degree and volunteer work.
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I know 3 guys a FDX. None well enough to ask for a rec. So I had zero connections/lors/PE's. I had a couple at UAL.

Hit job fairs, did safety and ALPA stuff at the regional. Enlisted in the military straight out of high school. I think those things helped.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
You do realize pretty much every 20 something year old hired in the last 2 years has a degree, volunteer experience, Union/ Company experience as well. Hence why they are called. Connections help but alot of them are obtained through their volunteer/company work, not jumpseating. Sorry but that's what companies are looking for now.
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That's correct. But so do quite a few of those 40 yr old RJ Captains. Degree, volunteer work, union volunteer, and a rec or two. Still crickets.

But anyway we've gone off on a tangent. My point was simply trying to explain how a guy in that position may have initially thought his couldn't be serious from the OP.


PeanuckleCRJ said:
I didn't know anyone at DL when I got picked up... so this whole having all to do with "connections" thing falls flat on its face. There are numerous factors. Ticking people off for years on various message boards I'm sure hasn't helped you. ;)
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You've brought up the message board thing before. If thats the case, I can't change what happened in the past. I haven't dabbled in 9E stuff for years. I just hope ya'lls filter is beyond message board banter. As it stands you've taken quite a few infamous characters through the SSP and you're stuck with them :)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That's correct. But so do quite a few of those 40 yr old RJ Captains. Degree, volunteer work, union volunteer, and a rec or two. Still crickets.

But anyway we've gone off on a tangent. My point was simply trying to explain how a guy in that position may have initially thought his couldn't be serious from the OP.




You've brought up the message board thing before. If thats the case, I can't change what happened in the past. I haven't dabbled in 9E stuff for years. I just hope ya'lls filter is beyond message board banter. As it stands you've taken quite a few infamous characters through the SSP and you're stuck with them :)
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a good handful of those 40 year old RJ captains you are referring to probably have extremely bloody applications and that's why they aren't getting a call.


you think message board banter is a problem? hell, they hired me.
 
MtnFlyer00 said:
I know 3 guys a FDX. None well enough to ask for a rec. So I had zero connections/lors/PE's. I had a couple at UAL.

Hit job fairs, did safety and ALPA stuff at the regional. Enlisted in the military straight out of high school. I think those things helped.
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You're an interesting datapoint, especially with respect to the PEs (or lack of 'em).

Nobody around the line at Purple seems to have any idea what the actual value or impact of a PE is, so we're all interested to see what the next year's worth of interviews/newhires looks like in terms of having or not having PEs.

As I posted over in the Pilot Career Expo thread, FX recently promoted a new Manager of Pilot Hiring, so there is certainly a lot of speculation as to how things are going to change with respect to who they're calling to interview.
 
I would stay at United. But ive always been a passenger airline type of guy, its what ive always wanted to do. I feel the drone threat is real, and possibly more likely to effect cargo ops first. I would really suggest a move, United has lots of bases, certainly you can find a place to be happy in as a single guy. Personally, I think you are basing to much of the decision on that (unless I missed a part about taking care of a sick relative or something). Great problem to have though and I know its hard to really throw out the anchor when you've been sailing in search of smooth water for so long, but IMO, settle in for a nice career.
 
For you UAL folks, do you have a ballpark datapoint about how many block hours a junior FO might fly annually?
 
Hacker15e said:
For you UAL folks, do you have a ballpark datapoint about how many block hours a junior FO might fly annually?
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That's impossible to say. If given the 757/767 involuntarily in class, it could be as low as 300. If given the 737 it could be as high as 1000. Too many variables there.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Sensitive? I get his point. It would irk me being a highly qualified pilot at a regional 40 (or plus), while youngsters in their 20s (you and I) get hired while others more qualified can't get a call and are doing everything right. I've said it before so I'm repeating myself but the whole system is just a crapshoot and, well, sucks. It's a system where many times more highly qualified applicants get passed right over and people less qualified get the shoe in.
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Define "highly qualified" plz.
 
Derg said:
Define "highly qualified" plz.
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Something like BS degree or higher, 5000-10k+ total time, 2000 TPIC or higher, previous 121 experience, some volunteer work/service to a good cause, extra preference for regional pilots within own system already flying for the mainline (they're already flying your passengers).

Derg said:
You can be an actual astronaut and a great guy, but if you come off like a penis on your application, well, you're a penis.
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I'd be curious to see how one could come off as a penis on a relatively straightforward application that is fill in the blanks. Wouldn't the interview be where one really blows it by acting like a Richard?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Something like BS degree or higher, 5000-10k+ total time, 2000 TPIC or higher, previous 121 experience, some volunteer work/service to a good cause, extra preference for regional pilots within own system already flying for the mainline (they're already flying your passengers).
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Quantitative metrics are an imprecise method of determining if someone is the right match for your company. I've got 1500 hours of PIC turbine in an Airbus, am I better or worse than a similarly qualified pilot with 5000 hours in the Airbus? Today's secret word is: qualitative.


I'd be curious to see how one could come off as a penis on a relatively straightforward application that is fill in the blanks. Wouldn't the interview be where one really blows it by acting like a Richard?
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YASSSS! Oh man, there are stories I'd like to tell but that has to wait for offline, over beer and "Story Time With Uncle Derg"
 
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