Kalitta 727 FO

Doug Taylor said:
Where do you guys fly to?
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Well...probably shouldn't give out specifics, but let's just say that we take tourists keen to long desert hikes and automatic weapons to interesting and exotic lands. It's like the beach!

Paycheck swap, too. No takesies backsies!
 
Doug Taylor said:
I prefer big blocks of days on because when I'm off, I want to be off and not have to think about the job.
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Ditto me too. It is like have a vacation every month.

dasleben said:
I do 18/12...wanna trade? :)
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I've done 18/12 before we got 16/12. It isn't that bad and the family got used to it and now prefer it.

We mainly fly in the US, Canada, and Mexcio but have ops spec to operate in a much wider area.
 
I don't think I'm applying, but the chance to fly a 727 would be amazing. Staying in the freight world would be a bonus too.
 
vheissu said:
A friend that I flew with at the canyon just upgraded there on the 727. Looks like I might have to make a phone call!
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He's a good a good guy. I was happy and sad to see him upgrade. I am glad he advanced but I lost one hell of an FO.

Douglas said:
I don't think I'm applying, but the chance to fly a 727 would be amazing. Staying in the freight world would be a bonus too.
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The 727 is a great ride...It is a lot of fun flying a plane that was so sucessful and should be be in a museum...
 
dasleben said:
Well...probably shouldn't give out specifics, but let's just say that we take tourists keen to long desert hikes and automatic weapons to interesting and exotic lands. It's like the beach!

Paycheck swap, too. No takesies backsies!
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Overflight authorizations, 'Stans, and "request tacticals" eh? :)
 
Oh we flew a ton of horses with Tex - always served us well. In fact we flew from Arkansas to Lexington with a sick one once.
 
Vapor Lock said:
Sorry to hijack but what about 24/7 schedules in 135 ops? What i have read from the chief council is that it is illegal however it is very common. Anyone else have any info on that?
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The definition of "Duty" is "any time you are responsible for work." If you have to be able to answer your phone to come in and fly...well, you're on duty. Not that a lot of places really care about that though, generally speaking most places run the "look back" and say something to the effect of, "well you were resting this afternoon before we called you, you got your ten hours, so you're a legal-eagle." The feds seem to turn a blind eye to this and its incredibly widespread.
 
ppragman said:
The definition of "Duty" is "any time you are responsible for work." If you have to be able to answer your phone to come in and fly...well, you're on duty. Not that a lot of places really care about that though, generally speaking most places run the "look back" and say something to the effect of, "well you were resting this afternoon before we called you, you got your ten hours, so you're a legal-eagle." The feds seem to turn a blind eye to this and its incredibly widespread.
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That is basically the way I understand it. Just wondering to what extent I should pass on jobs like that. Really can't seem to find anything else right now. I guess I need to look at this thread more. I don't like the idea of being gone 16 days at a time but if it's a good gig then perhaps.
 
Vapor Lock said:
Sorry to hijack but what about 24/7 schedules in 135 ops? What i have read from the chief council is that it is illegal however it is very common. Anyone else have any info on that?
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Illegal for scheduled 121 and scheduled/non-scheduled 135, but somehow legal for non-scheduled (supplemental) 121. I do it all the time, and it is not fun​.
 
dasleben said:
Illegal for scheduled 121 and scheduled/non-scheduled 135, but somehow legal for non-scheduled (supplemental) 121. I do it all the time, and it is not fun​.
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Got to love the FAA... Get hired at a 121 supplimental carrier the FAA thinks you are somehow superhuman

135 has played the same game for years too. My first gig in 135 had you on call 24/7 for about 24 days a month...
 
regarding the duty issue, i work 24/7 on call. it's not right, but that's the way it is. the schedule sucks big time, and what sucks even more is hanging around the house waiting for a phone call to go fly when 1st up on rotation and can't do anything. having to write down "day off" on my flight duty sheet when i was sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring is a hard pill to swallow but thems the brakes. it is the necessary evil at this point of my career so i'll just deal with it because nothing is going to change if anything is said about the situation. for whatever that is worth.
 
ppragman said:
The definition of "Duty" is "any time you are responsible for work." If you have to be able to answer your phone to come in and fly...well, you're on duty. Not that a lot of places really care about that though, generally speaking most places run the "look back" and say something to the effect of, "well you were resting this afternoon before we called you, you got your ten hours, so you're a legal-eagle." The feds seem to turn a blind eye to this and its incredibly widespread.
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On-call is technically non duty and non rest. It's the non rest part that makes it illegal for scheduled 121. It probably should be considered duty, but that would cost the company per diem...so it isn't. LOL
 
Doug Taylor said:
Not necessarily. I'm not sure the feds have even defined "on call" when it related to pilot rest requirements.
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It has been, the case is unquestionable closed, according the chief councel. The Mayors (sp?) letter spells it out perfectly. For one it states the Feds consistently say the rest rules and definitions between 135 and 121 are the same. It goes on to say that on call, have to answer a pager, etc is duty, period.

I will see if I can dig up the letter, I have a copy at work.

Fount it

Mayors
 
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