Judge allows class action suit against Delta, Air Tran to proceed

I favor complete re-regulation of the airline industry.

Thankfully, not ever going to happen.

Too many others are vested in competitive air travel. The entire hotel industry has changed since deregulation: each big player has something like 8-10 different brands catering to different market needs. My favorite industry, management consulting, is fueled on accessible travel. Heck, Orlando and Vegas wouldn't exist in their present forms without the competitive air travel market.
 
Travel was plenty competitive under the CAB.

Disagree. Price floors and route approval kept most consumers out of the market.

Justice Breyer wrote a piece for Bloomberg several years ago where he reflects on his work in deregulation (Breyer was an aide for Sen Kennedy in the early/mid 1970s). I find it interesting that airline deregulation was supported by the likes of Senators Kennedy, Hatch, and Thurmond -Kennedy had to be just about the polar opposite from Hatch and Thurmond on every other issue.


Justice Breyer said:
What does the industry's history tell us? Was this effort worthwhile? Certainly it shows that every major reform brings about new, sometimes unforeseen, problems. No one foresaw the industry's spectacular growth, with the number of air passengers increasing from 207.5 million in 1974 to 721.1 million last year. As a result, no one foresaw the extent to which new bottlenecks would develop: a flight-choked Northeast corridor, overcrowded airports, delays, and terrorist risks consequently making air travel increasingly difficult. Nor did anyone foresee the extent to which change might unfairly harm workers in the industry. Still, fares have come down. Airline revenue per passenger mile has declined from an inflation-adjusted 33.3 cents in 1974, to 13 cents in the first half of 2010. In 1974 the cheapest round-trip New York-Los Angeles flight (in inflation-adjusted dollars) that regulators would allow: $1,442. Today one can fly that same route for $268. That is why the number of travelers has gone way up.
 
Airline fares were already falling significant prior to deregulation as a result of RESPONSIBLE competition fostered by the CAB. What has taken place in the years since is neither healthy nor responsible.
 
Airline fares were already falling significant prior to deregulation as a result of RESPONSIBLE competition fostered by the CAB. What has taken place in the years since is neither healthy nor responsible.

I would argue that the fee for departure setup has created many of the issues we see in the industry today.
 
I really don't think it's a public right to fly on jets around the country.

It's a highly capital expenditure intensive market that involves great financial risk, regulations, et cetera that people demand that the product be sold as close to cost as possible and will use politicians, in an election year, to make it so.

The industry needs to make a profit in order to stay solvent.

Otherwise, how can an airline purchase a $140,000,000 A330 and the general public expects to take a ride on that thing from NYC to LAX for $49 and their friends fly free?
 
I really don't think it's a public right to fly on jets around the country.

It's a highly capital expenditure intensive market that involves great financial risk, regulations, et cetera that people demand that the product be sold as close to cost as possible and will use politicians, in an election year, to make it so.

The industry needs to make a profit in order to stay solvent.

Otherwise, how can an airline purchase a $140,000,000 A330 and the general public expects to take a ride on that thing from NYC to LAX for $49 and their friends fly free?

Voodoo economics?
 
That's a good thing.

If that $5 footlong from Subway is actually $4.50 worth of ingredients, labor, rent, depreciation, insurance, and cash reserve, I would fire the CEO.

One big difference.

To the best of my knowledge sandwich shops did not receive billions of dollars in government aid like the airlines. Government regulations need to be applied. The ticket pricing field needs to be leveled so the customer understands the what they are being charged. Go into you local Audio Video Center and see what happens when the salesman takes the advertised product and pulls a bait and switch.

I have no issues with airlines charging for bags carry on or checked but it should be included in the advertised ticket price like it was for 70+ years.

So you buy a new car. You sign all the paperwork including charges for license plates and registration. You write the check, the salesman shakes your hand and hands you the new shinny keys (some still have keys). The sales man walks you out to the lot and says; Oh, did you want to pay the extra fee for tires and wheels?

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fholbert said:
How the US airlines got their $15 billion bailout https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/10/air-o18.html

Do we really have to go over this again? Reimbursing the airlines for a tiny portion of the money they lost because of terrorism is not a government "bailout" or a "subsidy." It's compensating them for the government failing to provide the protection that the government is responsible for providing.
 
Do we really have to go over this again? Reimbursing the airlines for a tiny portion of the money they lost because of terrorism is not a government "bailout" or a "subsidy." It's compensating them for the government failing to provide the protection that the government is responsible for providing.

I'm not arguing right or wrong, just that it happened. You said it didn't.
 
gotWXdagain said:
If outsourcing your entire product to the lowest bidder is what "keeps the industry solvent" I'm glad to have no part in that industry.

That's what it takes under deregulation, yes. Under a regulated environment? Well, that's different. And that's why it needs to come back.
 
A loan is not a bail out, so subtract $10b from that figure.

True. I was giving support that the airlines were given Billions by the feds. $5B qualifies.

Uhh, that article seems to be about the victims. I'll admit, I just skimmed it, but it seems to be talking about people, not airlines.

Yes, the government paid victim families and if they accepted money they could not sue the airlines.
 
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