JetBlue Pilots Association

Well, new ALPA cards are out now, so those that deny the JS will be able to tell quicker, I guess. My question is what if the guy at B6, Skywest (now that they're ALPA vota failed), etc is/was part of the organizing committee? Does he or she still get the axe if they try to JS?

I see where PCL and Velo are coming from, but I just don't agree with it. I see getting that person on the JS as an opportunity to educate, not piss someone off to the point they don't want ALPA b/c everyone is a jerk. I think that's hurting a union drive more than helping it.

3 CAs I've flown with in the past year are new hires over at B6 now. I keep meaning to call them and see what they think. Here lately it's seemed like Pinnacle is like the minor league affiliate for jetBlue....
 
kellwolf said:
My question is what if the guy at B6, Skywest (now that they're ALPA vota failed), etc is/was part of the organizing committee? Does he or she still get the axe if they try to JS?
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No, I'd give them the jumpseat. The only people I would deny would be the ones who readily admit to voting "NO." I'm sure plenty of the "NO" voters would lie in order to get a ride, but I'd rather give everyone the benefit of the doubt so as not to deny a "YES" voter. But if you say you voted "NO," then fu-- off.

I see getting that person on the JS as an opportunity to educate
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Many anti-union zealots can get pretty pissed off and start ranting and raving at the mere mention of a union. I have no desire to put up with that crap on my flight deck.

Here lately it's seemed like Pinnacle is like the minor league affiliate for jetBlue....
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I had the displeasure of running into Clive Seal when I was in DTW last month for an overnight. He claimed that JetBlue was considering a formal pref-hiring arrangement with Pinnacle. Of course, if his mouth is moving, he's usually lying, so who knows what the truth is.
 
PCL_128 said:
I had the displeasure of running into Clive Seal when I was in DTW last month for an overnight. He claimed that JetBlue was considering a formal pref-hiring arrangement with Pinnacle. Of course, if his mouth is moving, he's usually lying, so who knows what the truth is.
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I highly doubt that'll happen. They've got plenty of apps rolling in over at B6, so I don't see why they would look for anyone to have a pref hiring agreement. The only reason we have one with Delta is b/c it's in the Delta Connection contract. Then again, EVERY Del Con carrier has that, so what's so preferential since almost every regional has Delta flying now?
 
You guys are a real piece of work. You speak of unity and brotherhood, but then screw and piss off your fellow pilots. You may think you follow the Air Line Pilots Code of Ethics, but you actions regarding jumpseating privledges are completely unethical. It's amazing to me how you feel you are advancing the cause of unity among our ranks, but then act as you do. If our profession is going down the toilet, it is because of the infighting between pilot groups of various carriers and union (or non-union) affilliations. Management is taking advantage of this, "me, me, ME!" attitude and using it to hurt us.

You claim to be up on union politics and issues, but you obviously clearly have ignored guidance from ALPA national about NOT using the jumpseat as a political tool. It should only be expected from those who pick and choose what FOM guidance to follow, which in itself is a slippery slope considering probationary status.

If this is the manner in which you hope to mentor and encourage those of us new to the profession, it is certainly not the best option. All it does is encourage disunity and infighting among PROFESSIONALS.

This is all coming from someone who is a proud member of the Air Line Pilots Association, is a committee volunteer, and has been asked numerous times by MEC officials (including the former MEC chairman) to run for an LEC position. I am proud of my union, but I will not blatantly screw over my fellow pilots because of their choice of employer. I WILL, however, make my opinions known to those who have chosen to blatantly screw over their fellow pilots, such as GoJets pilots, Freedom "A-listers," and known scabs. I am man enough to express that opinion face-to-face, while maintaining my professional integrity as an airline pilot.
 
Chicaga,

You have a pretty high horse there. Perhaps you should read Section 115 of the ALPA Admin Manual, concentrating on the nuances of the English language.

There is nothing unethical in adhering to the Admin manual.
 
Is that the new jetcareers response when you don't like what somebody says? They're on a high horse, or possibly an elitist?
 
No. But I think its pretty funny to be lectured about ALPA ethics by someone who has "been asked" to be a LEC rep.

He'd have a bit more gravitas if he actually had some experience INSIDE the organization.
 
Erm...er....man you can pick on me all you want but Chicaga might have a tad bit more experience then you might imagine...and he kinda said he's on a committee, isn't that being on the inside of the union? Or is that like being in the foyer?
 
Wait...hold on a second.

First you've gotta have 500 hours in type to know anything about an airline.

Then you've gotta be in the union to know anything about the union.

But being in the union ain't good enough, you've gotta be on the INSIDE of the union.

But wait there's more! Being on a committee isn't good enough, beacuse your qualifications are better?

I can't keep up in here!
 
So, perhaps some of you young pups should just zip it and listen up when people who obviously have much more flying and Union experience talk.

Now, if you want to expound on CFIing or flying Cessna 712s, I'll be glad to cede you the floor.
 
Last time I did that you reminded me that you were an IP for 900 years, so I should probably keep my mouth shut about...everything.

Ima stop wasting my time with this thread and go pinpoint failures in the communist revolution so we don't make the same mistakes again...
 
The best place to put all of the qualifications and experience is in the user profile.

That way, when someone reads something by a certain user for the first time, they can go in there and see just who is doing the talking.

By having it in there, it doesn't need to be mentioned in posts other than once in a while. That way it never sounds condescending, but the information is out there so people can see just how qualified someone is.

B767Driver has a pretty good rundown of career experience in his profile if you are looking for an example of what I am talking about.

For those who want their experience known to others (and I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all), this would save a bit of arguing here and there because some people take it the wrong way and others just read it and consider it with the post itself.
 
That instead of mentoring pilots you prefer intimidation, which is a sure way to get people to NOT listen to you? Sure! I flew with a captain like you the other week.

Guess I was lying about spending time with planning the revolution...
 
It has nothing to do with intimidation. It has everything to do with having the experience to address an issue. Experience that extends from hours in the cockpit, to local ALPA experience to NATIONAL ALPA experience.

You can have opinions. But, when the gray heads try to educate you, consider listening. You might just learn something. Of course, those who are unwilling to listen and learn probably DO consider education intimidation.
 
You DO realize HOW you say things is as important as WHAT you say, right? Don't worry, it's something I've had to learn about too!
 
Well, you obviously have a way to go:

Originally posted by jtrain609

Erm...er....man you can pick on me all you want but Chicaga might have a tad bit more experience then you might imagine...and he kinda said he's on a committee
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Pretty stout show of attitude. Perhaps Chicaga is on a committee. As I said before, my current ALPA credentials eclipse that by far. So, lets not lecture anyone on message delivery since you pulled the hammer first.

Now, if you want to lecture me on the topic of yanking gear on probation, I defer to your current experience.
 
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