Is this 91.13 Careless or reckless operation
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nosehair
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not if you're making a normal traffic pattern, as if you were doing a go-around. where it would get careless and reckless would be a hot-dog pull-up, or any unusual maneuver that an inspector would judge to be reckless or endangering other traffic.
But a low pass in a normal configuration is a good training maneuver, and can be done in a safe, non-careless/reckless manner.
But a low pass in a normal configuration is a good training maneuver, and can be done in a safe, non-careless/reckless manner.
unclenobby
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Was it a non towered field? .......just to play devils advocate.....
According to 91.119 "Except for T/O and LNDG....no person may op a/c below following alts.....anywhere - if pwr unit fails emergency lndg without undue hazard to persons or property on the sfc"
Would an engine failure at 50ft above the rwy create undue hazard to those on the sfc? Don't think so.
According to 91.119 "Except for T/O and LNDG....no person may op a/c below following alts.....anywhere - if pwr unit fails emergency lndg without undue hazard to persons or property on the sfc"
Would an engine failure at 50ft above the rwy create undue hazard to those on the sfc? Don't think so.
Chief Captain
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As long as tower approves it, or it's been announced on CTAF and it's not busy, I see no problem with it.
WacoFan
Bigly
I would think it isn't careless or reckless. That is not even a particularly low buzz job.
I knew a guy - friend of my grandpa's. He was a former F-100 pilot, then CAL (until 1983 of course).
He had a Waco YOC - a cabin model (here is an example. Not the airplane in question, my friends was bright red).
Anyway, he would fly down the runway very fast at about two feet. Also, I saw him execute a beautiful slow roll on final culminating in a perfect wheel landing.
To me, that is reckless operation. A Mooney or 172 at 50 feet isn't in my opinion.
I knew a guy - friend of my grandpa's. He was a former F-100 pilot, then CAL (until 1983 of course).
He had a Waco YOC - a cabin model (here is an example. Not the airplane in question, my friends was bright red).
Anyway, he would fly down the runway very fast at about two feet. Also, I saw him execute a beautiful slow roll on final culminating in a perfect wheel landing.
To me, that is reckless operation. A Mooney or 172 at 50 feet isn't in my opinion.
PGT
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Arguable
What if it goes out in the last 1-2000 feet so you wouldn't have enough room before running through the fence and onto the road.
unclenobby
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scooter2525
Very well Member
most towers give you kudos at the end....
PGT
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Ok I just looked up and a Cessna 172 is roughly 12 feet tall. Now that I think about it, it was probably ~25 AGL.
R
Roger, Roger
Guest
No harm, no foul.
PGT
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DeltaAVL
New Member
That's probably including the tail.
Cessna414JJB
Unknown Member
Mooney - alright.
Cessna 172 - would have either been a 172RG or accidentally ripped the gear off during the first attempt ...
Nothing indicates careless or reckless operation. Flying low is actually fun.
A FAA Inspector may have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with such individual, likely not on vague witness reports and maybe after seeing it him/herself but a violation would probably not be produced.
Someone trying to turn someone in, or just a scare?
Witnessing other pilots do their preflight sometimes constitutes a careless and reckless operation, but a lowpass over airport property...
Firebird2XC
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An old examiner once told me a story.
Bob Hoover (the famous pilot) was inbound on a visual approach in VMC in his Twin Shrike. The DPE that told me the story was in the tower cab at that point.
Bob keyed the mike and requested clearance for a "Hoover Approach".
The Tower cleared him for a 'Hoover Approach'.
Mr. Hoover apparently then proceeded to do some sort of low level aerobatic routine down the touchdown zone of the runway, including a low level loop.
Incensed, the Tower personnel were ready to skin him alive and file all sorts of dire violations.
The DPE intervened. He reminded them that they cleared him for a 'Hoover Approach'. If they had failed to fully know what that was beforehand was not important. Once the Tower cleared it, they were liable for the end result.
Needless to say, Mr. Hoover wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
