Holocene
Well-Known Member
60 degree steep turns are a commercial PTS item
Hell, I did them on my private checkride.
60 degree steep turns are a commercial PTS item
Sorry to hear that ryanmickG.
And no, I'm not planning on doing any type of roll in the future.
Hell, I did them on my private checkride.
Ryan, was that Arrow over near MWL or wherever your school's?
Do basically you came here to ask "I've rolled a bunch of airplanes, am I ####ed?"
It should have been 45 degree on your checkride.
Are all Cessna's rated to be able to bank at 60? When I was talking to my husband about it, he said he thought that planes in flight clubs weren't rated for things that were considered Aerobatic. Or is it that the FARS doesn't allow it without the parachutes so flight clubs don't provide that?
Holocene -
If there is this much "mystique" about performing aerobatic maneuvers, then you seriously need to spend the money to go do some aerobatics.
The fact that you're here trying to lawyer your way into convincing yourself and others that it's an okay practice to do this (aerobatic flight by an untrained pilot in a non-aerobatic aircraft)...well, that's evidence enough that you need to go do it.
Yes, if done properly, normal non-aerobatic aircraft can perform some gentle aerobatic maneuvers like a barrel roll. Lots of skilled pilots have done in it all different types of aircraft (like airliners!).
The guys who get themselves into trouble are the ones who see aerobatic flight as such a huge thrill and taboo. They're the pilots who will take un-necessary risks, perform maneuvers incorrectly, and not only break the law, but also do damage to property and possibly bodily harm to themselves.
You may be able to find a loophole in the CFR that you think "allows" you to do something that the chorus of pilots here are echoing about being illegal, sure. The problem is that there is always that "judgment" and "flight discipline" catch-all to the FAA. You can do something that is not expressly illegal in the CFR, yet still have certificate action taken against you because of endangerment -- real or perceived.
Go get a few hours in an aerobatic airplane and get it out of your system. It will be completely worth it, trust me. Eventually you'll realize that aerobatic flight is no big deal when performed correctly. Getting that urge out of your system will keep you from killing yourself and perhaps someone else someday by doing something dumb.
Holocene -
If there is this much "mystique" about performing aerobatic maneuvers, then you seriously need to spend the money to go do some aerobatics.
The fact that you're here trying to lawyer your way into convincing yourself and others that it's an okay practice to do this (aerobatic flight by an untrained pilot in a non-aerobatic aircraft)...well, that's evidence enough that you need to go do it.
Yes, if done properly, normal non-aerobatic aircraft can perform some gentle aerobatic maneuvers like a barrel roll. Lots of skilled pilots have done in it all different types of aircraft (like airliners!).
The guys who get themselves into trouble are the ones who see aerobatic flight as such a huge thrill and taboo. They're the pilots who will take un-necessary risks, perform maneuvers incorrectly, and not only break the law, but also do damage to property and possibly bodily harm to themselves.
You may be able to find a loophole in the CFR that you think "allows" you to do something that the chorus of pilots here are echoing about being illegal, sure. The problem is that there is always that "judgment" and "flight discipline" catch-all to the FAA. You can do something that is not expressly illegal in the CFR, yet still have certificate action taken against you because of endangerment -- real or perceived.
Go get a few hours in an aerobatic airplane and get it out of your system. It will be completely worth it, trust me. Eventually you'll realize that aerobatic flight is no big deal when performed correctly. Getting that urge out of your system will keep you from killing yourself and perhaps someone else someday by doing something dumb.
Are all Cessna's rated to be able to bank at 60? When I was talking to my husband about it, he said he thought that planes in flight clubs weren't rated for things that were considered Aerobatic. Or is it that the FARS doesn't allow it without the parachutes so flight clubs don't provide that?
More than a 30 degree bank is normally considered aerobatic and so 60 degree turns must be practiced more than 1500 feet agl and outside any airspace designated for an airport.
No sir.
G force required for a 60-degree bank level turn is 2G. Yes, every standard category GA aircraft is going to be able to handle 2G.
Good to know. Thanks! The 60 degree banks are still illegal though cause of not having a parachute right or how does the FARs apply to it?
What is the reference for that?
Its what has been interpreted as "abnormal attitude not necessary for normal flight"
I'll have to dig to find an LOI, but that has been what I have been taught, and teach others.
Unfortunately 91.303 is fairly sparse in definition.
But thats the military we are talking about
From everything that I've done (flying Cessnas around) 30 degrees was the maximum considered 'normal flight' and by 91.303 anything beyond that is aerobatic.
I'll have to ask around and play 'mythbusters' with this one.