How many regional pilots can REALLY meet this requirement?

[jrh]

So instead of the intended path of the question which was should RJ pilots have a background of flying IFR in minimally equipped aircraft in case of automation failure, it turns into a member measuring contest.

Except that's not what you originally posted. You originally asked if an RJ pilot could switch roles and do this type of flying with a 210, or in other words, could they *currently* do this type of flying. It sounded as though you were calling out any RJ pilot who hadn't formerly flown freight in a 210 to prove themselves. You didn't ask what the ideal background is for an RJ pilot. Those are totally different questions with potentially different answers.

And thus, the penis measuring started.

 

[A-300F4-622R]

Except that's not what you originally posted. You originally asked if an RJ pilot could switch roles and do this type of flying with a 210, or in other words, could they *currently* do this type of flying. It sounded as though you were calling out any RJ pilot who hadn't formerly flown freight in a 210 to prove themselves. You didn't ask what the ideal background is for an RJ pilot. Those are totally different questions with potentially different answers.

And thus, the penis measuring started.

Sorry for the unintended consequence.

 

[deadstick]

Indeed, but not as funny as the instance in this thread.

I GUARANTEE it's more rampant in the Apache units, especially amoing those 5'4" and below.

 

[Maurus]

It really depends on the training environment.There are ex-airline guys at my place of work even though my indoc class was directly told they don't like to hire airline pilots. Probably because of the strict training environment where training does not occur. Either you are ready or not. Someone going into our sims from a nice comfy jet would likely fail out without any refresher training beforehand.

 

[X-Forces]

Here is one of the hiring requirements taken from Flight Express, a 135 freight operator flying 210s and some Barons. They claim that their pilots are successful in moving to the regional airlines to fly RJs, but how many RJ pilots could do a role reversal and successfully do their type of flying?

All applicants MUST be PROFICIENTnot just legally current on single-pilot cross-country IFR-PIC operations - using VOR and NDB navigation - in a complex, high-performance, single-engine airplane with no autopilot, no GPS and no airborne weather radar. Pilots who are not comfortable with this kind of flying are strongly discouraged from applying.

Lose your FMCs, A/P, F/D. You can be dispatched without those. I've flown with many glass cockpit pilots who would be truly dangerous if they had to hand fly a steam gauge airplane with just basis avionics in IMC and concluding with an approach to minimums.

I try and fly de-automated on a frequent basis to stay competent if the need ever arises.

I'd venture a guess that your 402s were better equipped than FLXs 210s.

I'll put you down as a no.

<sigh>

OK.................

You are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
You are so freakin' hard core!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can't mess with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're not worthy........We're not worthy...............

Is this what you're after?

I would answer your OP with a "I could," but I am sure you would debunk it.

 

[derg]

I'm not even worthy myself.


Sent from my Colecovision Adam

 

[Boris Badenov]

There aren't any boxes to check, that's why it's confusing to people who have only ever checked a box in the careers. But there's a kernal of truth in what A300/whoever/whoever is talking about here. It's always seemed to me that the easiest way to state it is: "If you've never been deeply afraid in an airplane, you shouldn't be in one that's carrying passengers". But that's just me. :shrug: I suspect that most of the people taking offense HAVE been deeply afraid in an airplane. But again, that's just me.

 

[BobDDuck]

I was actually just asked that question in an interview today.

 

[Nark]

I'd go as far to venture that the Flight express 210 hero's wouldn't cut it in Alaska. They don't have the skills vis-a-vis 121 pilots who move to 135 freight.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I'd go as far to venture that the Flight express 210 hero's wouldn't cut it in Alaska. They don't have the skills vis-a-vis 121 pilots who move to 135 freight.

I don't dispute that there are plenty of ex-FLX guys who couldn't cut it scud-running in AK. But are you seriously suggesting that your average RJ gear-swinger would do better? That seems. eh. Unlikely.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

It's unfortunate that MOST of the time the FedEx and UPS pilots on here sling mud rather than extend a hand. Not all but most of them just throw darts and then run away. The FedEx and UPS pilots I know personally don't feel the need to do this. They act more like mentors and tend to pay it forward rather than laugh at those "beneath" them.

I actually found that when jumpseating on big brown the people were awesome and I was more likely to end up striking up a random conversation in THEIR crew lounge than I am in my own. I do see what you're talking about though with the ones that come here, but I think we're getting the crowd that feel inadequate and need to come here to be the big kid in the kiddie pool, which is pretty sad.

 

[jtrain609]

I don't dispute that there are plenty of ex-FLX guys who couldn't cut it scud-running in AK. But are you seriously suggesting that your average RJ gear-swinger would do better? That seems. eh. Unlikely.

Not gonna lie, I've let my skills atrophy to the point that I put the autopilot on before we push back from the gate.

 

[ljg]

Hemingway wrote that "We're all apprentices in a craft where no one becomes the master". The most skilled and respected guys I have met in this industry have ample amounts of humble as an ingredient of their success.

 

[jynxyjoe]

I love watching people with small members competitively measure them to make themselves feel important.

Well I would hope so, otherwise your fellow pilots in the military would drive you nuts.

Sorry for the unintended consequence.

Eh, a lot of people answered your question, some even took some time to reply at length and ask questions back. Trolling trollbert as you are, would it kill you to respond in a meaningful and intelligent way?

 

[DPApilot]

I don't dispute that there are plenty of ex-FLX guys who couldn't cut it scud-running in AK. But are you seriously suggesting that your average RJ gear-swinger would do better? That seems. eh. Unlikely.

I'm not the average R J T pilot though![/s]

 

[dasleben]

All jet pilots are hacks. Especially little jet pilots, because the size of your jet is inversely proportional to how much of a hack you are.

 

[z987k]

I'd go as far to venture that the Flight express 210 hero's wouldn't cut it in Alaska. They don't have the skills vis-a-vis 121 pilots who move to 135 freight.

The depends on if flx lets them fly vfr. I've flown some VFR in the NW and rockies that makes the western slope look like child's play. There's actually things to hit. And we do it at 200kts, not 130.

 

[Nark]

My rebuttle to the OP was that it's just as stupid to say what he was insinuating, as I was. Taking someone from one sector to another requires many skills not found in the cookie cutters you assign certain segments.

 

[Bumblebee]

Hemingway wrote that "We're all apprentices in a craft where no one becomes the master". The most skilled and respected guys I have met in this industry have ample amounts of humble as an ingredient of their success.

I've flown with them...way more badass and much less bravado. Amazing pilots who wold shun those needing to build themselves up while diminishing others. Airline pilots with great jobs get dreamy and talk about wanting to do what they do...but are rarely welcomed. Not because of the skills or lack of skills of airline pilots but because of the (and I wish I could say few) minority who primp and preen like the cock of the walk.

Fighter jocks have to be the way they are....but airline pilots don't need those same personality traits...matter of fact those traits could cause accidents in that community. I just spent 2 weeks in ground school and simulator training with a retired B52 pilot. Humble and skilled...and generous. A good lesson and reminder.

 

[Roger Roger]

Remember, a lot of guys who do this type of flying (including old experienced codger types) do this stuff because they've got something to prove. I won't lie, that's why I didn't go to the 121 world, I didn't even try, I had to prove to myself that I could do this other type of "badass," or "tough guy" flying that the "real pilots" do. Scarily enough, almost every one of the people I know who did/does similar flying talks about how they get great satisfaction out of how difficult or challenging, and it's not uncommon to hear this in relation to how "not everyone can do this type of flying." Truth be told, it's pretty dammed easy unless you push the conditions and the limits of your equipment. Maybe I'm getting older, maybe it has to do with having the baby less than two weeks away, bottom line is (at least for me) I like things to go smoothly anymore. There's too much other BS associated with this career for me to want any additional complications in the airplane. While I still love to fly, and still love the challenge of it, I find it's more satisfying and challenging to try to do things right. That doesn't mean I still don't have my occasional lapses in judgment, or that I won't make mistakes - rather, it means that my feelings about what makes a good pilot are changing. I still look back at the days I did of renegade flying in singles, dodging pointy rocks and flying dangerously low over empty fjords and glaciers with glassy-eyed nostalgia. I still miss the fun I had and often long for the freedom to do whatever I want in the airplane because there simply were no established rules or procedures beyond the most basic regs. That visceral emotional feeling of fear and excitement when you pull your stupid ass out of a sling is an addictive cocktail of adrenaline and ego - and when you swap stories with your buddies at the bar later, the understanding nods and smiles are worth more than any paycheck. These friendships formed in fear last for lifetimes, and I'm glad to have the experiences associated with that portion of my life, but the circumstances that brought me to those points in space and time where I "saved the day" or "just barely made it in" were truly the result of a fundamental failure in my understanding of how things ought to be.

Colleen Mondor puts it well (talking about bush pilots and their mentality):
If you asked them, they would all say that the last bush pilots died long ago and they were just guys doing a job. Most of them claimed they stayed with The Company to build flight time, to advance their careers, to get a shot with the majors. Some of them said it was all about the money. Not one of them would say he had something to prove. All of them were liars.