How do you live...

$33/hr was fleet wide. I've never seen a 'minimum guarantee' during my tenure. Where are you getting this data from?
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Just don't use the entire package of "Seasonings"!! That's easy! Does anyone really use that entire package AND drink the soup-like fluid when they're done with the package? That would be nasty anyway!
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Do you cook the noodles with eggs? It's much better than just the noodles by themselves.
 
Doug Taylor said:
$33/hr was fleet wide. I've never seen a 'minimum guarantee' during my tenure. Where are you getting this data from?
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I'm trying to scan it but it isn't coming out well because it's on blue paper. It is an excerpt from a letter sent to me by Mark I. - who was hired at DE that year. Give me a few hours and I'll work out this scanner setting thingie.
 
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This is from a blue, jepp sized handout that is not too clear on where it comes from. I see the word "proposed" in some blurry text at the bottom. This has been floating around my flight bag for almost 10 yrs now so it's not too legible!

I remember Mark giving it to me, but not what it was for.
 
New hire pay in January 1998 was $33/hr. No minimum guarantee.

B767Driver, ROFCIBC or MDPilot, ya'll got my back on this?
 
Ok I called the pilot in question.

My mistake! This was a publication made by another airline who was trying to stir up a grass roots effort against the so called "Express" carriers.

This was not a Delta or DALPA publication, so disregard.
 
It's ok bro!

Now if you had pushed it really hard, I'd have had to get medieval on yo' arse, but I knew that you were no more than hoodwinked, bamboozled and led astray by whoever gave you that data.

Can anyone tell that the Cotes de Provence is flowing here on the Riviera this evening? :) (we're back for a quick pee break before heading out again)
 
pilot602 said:
Speaking of comprehension skills it seems you convinently skipped over my post.

Selective reading/arguing isn't really a valid arguing/debate style. But, feel free to try all you like!
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You mean like you selectively skipped over my argument about ATPs 120 grads?
I guess there were just too many external forces for you at one time. And once again, the holder of an ATP (airplane) license does not simultaneously hold a Commercial license. It only limits the ATP to commercial privileges. It is NOT a dual license.

Sorry you don't think the facts support it, but supply and demand is alive and well.

Too much oil, gas prices go down. Not much oil prices go up.
Too many pilots, wages go down. Not enough pilots the wages will go up.

PS.....Please don't tell me you believe Air Inc?
 
Well, I can't say I'm doing much better. I've got 21 more minutes of arguging to do on the forums and then I'm going upstairs, making myself a big ole' batch of buffalo chicken wings and grabbing myself a beer.

20 minutes now...
 
JohnGalt said:
Here is my rant-
Want more pay? Remove the strict regulations.
But when you can only fly a max of umm... 80 hours a month, how do you honestly expect to make a huge wage?
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Here are some hours for ya:
Every month I spend 320 hours away from home.
196 of those 320 hours are spent at work and on duty, with 14 hour duty days. (and yes, I like my job)

JohnGalt said:
...More hours, Overtime, and 2nd job...Thats right 3 jobs. 40 hours in retail, another 17 hours as a tutor, and about 10 hours helping customers at a financial company.
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67 hrs/wk (and slept in your own bed every night)? Try 98 hrs/wk.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Here are some hours for ya:
Every month I spend 320 hours away from home.
196 of those 320 hours are spent at work and on duty, with 14 hour duty days. (and yes, I like my job)


67 hrs/wk (and slept in your own bed every night)? Try 98 hrs/wk.
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:yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:
 
Doug Taylor said:
Speaking of cigars, you can get Cuban's right here on the Riviera, but I'm not a cigar guy, so so what! :)
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Aww, dude, pick em up for me! I don't smoke cigars very often, but Cubans rock, man!
 
NJA_Capt said:
You mean like you selectively skipped over my argument about ATPs 120 grads?
I guess there were just too many external forces for you at one time. And once again, the holder of an ATP (airplane) license does not simultaneously hold a Commercial license. It only limits the ATP to commercial privileges. It is NOT a dual license.
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First, they are certificates. Not licenses.

Second, I was wrong about ATP certificate/priviliges. You and Vicarious Living were right.

Third, my father would still be counted as an active ATP or commercial pilot because he still has a medical and thus part of my point still stands. There are people out there that are counted but do not fly. Therefore the numbers referrenced are not completely accurate.

Sorry you don't think the facts support it, but supply and demand is alive and well.

Too much oil, gas prices go down. Not much oil prices go up.
Too many pilots, wages go down. Not enough pilots the wages will go up.

PS.....Please don't tell me you believe Air Inc?
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Quote me one place in this thread where I said the law of supply and demand doesn't work. Where I specifically say that the law of supply and demand doesn't exist or does not work.

All I've said is that other things influence it. Just like every other theory, law, etc. in the known universe.

As far as your ATP grad argument goes ... every hear of lying in advertising?
 
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