Snuggle
Well-Known Member
dude his opinion doesn't count, he flies a dirty turboprop! He's not a RJ Captain.
Just for giggles I'll put this little
thing in there. Not like I need it.
good idea to fly with 777 captain?
- Thread starter intern_mike
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dude his opinion doesn't count, he flies a dirty turboprop! He's not a RJ Captain.
Just for giggles I'll put this little
thing in there. Not like I need it.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Intern_mike -
Let's make this simple:
The people who have been in your shoes all categorically deny that taking the RJ class is a good idea (translation: it is a BAD IDEA). It's money spent on something that is better spent on other flying (getting a CFI, for example). Plus, it's paying for something that a Regional will PAY YOU to get once you get hired. AND, it is so easy to get hired right now at a Regional with your level of experience (or, what you WOULD have if you got your CFI and taught for a bit).
The people who have been in your shoes all agree that taking the CFI route will make you a much better aviator in both the long and short term, AND that you'll make more money CFIing for a year or two than as an RJ FO.
A little reading here and on other forums will show you the big picture -- not just what your school wants you to see.
Finally, your 777 captain relative isn't going to give a rip what airplane you go fly him in. He won't be any more impressed with you flying him around in a multiengine airplane than he would if you took him up in a 150. He probably just wants to share your common enjoyment of flying together.
Let's make this simple:
The people who have been in your shoes all categorically deny that taking the RJ class is a good idea (translation: it is a BAD IDEA). It's money spent on something that is better spent on other flying (getting a CFI, for example). Plus, it's paying for something that a Regional will PAY YOU to get once you get hired. AND, it is so easy to get hired right now at a Regional with your level of experience (or, what you WOULD have if you got your CFI and taught for a bit).
The people who have been in your shoes all agree that taking the CFI route will make you a much better aviator in both the long and short term, AND that you'll make more money CFIing for a year or two than as an RJ FO.
A little reading here and on other forums will show you the big picture -- not just what your school wants you to see.
Finally, your 777 captain relative isn't going to give a rip what airplane you go fly him in. He won't be any more impressed with you flying him around in a multiengine airplane than he would if you took him up in a 150. He probably just wants to share your common enjoyment of flying together.
charlie1017
Well-Known Member
Intern_mike, ASA doesn't have any ERJ's in their fleet so if you do get hired by them, you'll have to be trained by the airline for FREE anyway!!!
bdhill1979
Gone West
Oh, he has no street cred with my demographic.
Mr.Maximus
New Member
Uggghhh. High road, high road, high road. Ok..........................
Save the da_n 17k - you WILL need it on your first year regional pay.
Teach for a little bit, YOU might learn something.
At a regional, pay attention in groundschool and you will have saved 17k.
While I don't fly a 777, I do fly around the world. If it were me, I would MUCH rather climb into a Cadet vs. a Seminole for a little joyride.
I think I may have to get with a couple of my compadre's soon and invest in an RJ sim. With the money being blown on these "RJ courses", we could make a killing with the combination of low time guys willing to part so easily with that kind of change and the regionals basically selling RJ courses for all these operators. Hmmmmm..............................
Save the da_n 17k - you WILL need it on your first year regional pay.
Teach for a little bit, YOU might learn something.
At a regional, pay attention in groundschool and you will have saved 17k.
While I don't fly a 777, I do fly around the world. If it were me, I would MUCH rather climb into a Cadet vs. a Seminole for a little joyride.
I think I may have to get with a couple of my compadre's soon and invest in an RJ sim. With the money being blown on these "RJ courses", we could make a killing with the combination of low time guys willing to part so easily with that kind of change and the regionals basically selling RJ courses for all these operators. Hmmmmm..............................
bdhill1979
Gone West
Intern_Mike, Question:
This $17K, out of pocket or Loan?
This $17K, out of pocket or Loan?
intern_mike
E-175 f/o
Wow. Really, I'm putting everything I have into this and you guys are just dumping all over me. I know it's expensive, and I'm busting my ass. I'm lucky enough to have parents that will help with my student loans. Oh wait now i've got daddy's money. You all sound like a bunch of haters. To all of you throwing out genuine advise, thanks.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
seriously.
I think we are going to start a 'program'. Clean the toilet at the crashpad and we will show you how to preflight a 121 airliner.
bdhill1979
Gone West
You are taking sound advise as "hating".
RJ courses are a waste of good money, end of story.
ILSstud
Well-Known Member
Wow...this made for some good reading after a long day in the lab. I had my popcorn nice and fresh from the microwave.
My 2 cents....
You are doing yourself a big disservice skipping the CFI ratings and moving in straight to this "I-Pay-17K-to-bypass-the-silly-CFI-ratings" for what truly does amount to a CRJ course. Assuming you do move into a job with ASA quickly, you just shelled out 17K for a 3 wk sim course. From a financial perspective doesn't that seem silly? Assuming you spent the "endless" months getting your CFI ratings, don't you think that THAT would have been time well spent and money well spent since you are solidifying knowledge that would make you a much more competent pilot, a safer pilot, and frankly knowledge that could safe your ass and your passengers should something come up in the future. Not saying that people who go to these fast track schools are completely dense (even though some people will disagree with me on that), I think that by doing so you deprive your mind to process the massive amount of knowledge you acquire through teaching or other methods. Sure you might be able to rattle off the CRj startup flow, but what happens if you get hired on that dreaded turboprop ATR?:laff: I should say that I know CFI-ing is not for everyone, but I think there should be a stepping stone somewhere before you head off to the jets or turboprops.
Like I said just my two cents and frankly I am just an engineering student who got my ratings at a mom and pop school...I really don't know what it is like to apply for jobs. However, I think my intuition is correct. What I do know is that you shouldn't be drinking the kool aid too much...it can mess with yo head!
Take it easy....now I shall sit back, relax, and eat my popcorn as this discussion goes further.
My 2 cents....
You are doing yourself a big disservice skipping the CFI ratings and moving in straight to this "I-Pay-17K-to-bypass-the-silly-CFI-ratings" for what truly does amount to a CRJ course. Assuming you do move into a job with ASA quickly, you just shelled out 17K for a 3 wk sim course. From a financial perspective doesn't that seem silly? Assuming you spent the "endless" months getting your CFI ratings, don't you think that THAT would have been time well spent and money well spent since you are solidifying knowledge that would make you a much more competent pilot, a safer pilot, and frankly knowledge that could safe your ass and your passengers should something come up in the future. Not saying that people who go to these fast track schools are completely dense (even though some people will disagree with me on that), I think that by doing so you deprive your mind to process the massive amount of knowledge you acquire through teaching or other methods. Sure you might be able to rattle off the CRj startup flow, but what happens if you get hired on that dreaded turboprop ATR?:laff: I should say that I know CFI-ing is not for everyone, but I think there should be a stepping stone somewhere before you head off to the jets or turboprops.
Like I said just my two cents and frankly I am just an engineering student who got my ratings at a mom and pop school...I really don't know what it is like to apply for jobs. However, I think my intuition is correct. What I do know is that you shouldn't be drinking the kool aid too much...it can mess with yo head!
Take it easy....now I shall sit back, relax, and eat my popcorn as this discussion goes further.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
No hatred here man. I really do hope you do well, I am sure you will. I know you ARE working hard and entering a field that I love and one that you will as wel.
Just speaking the truth. Sometimes it hurts and is not what one wants to here.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I many people who have gotten their CFIs all within a week of one another.
E6BAV8R
Well-Known Member
It may sound like we are being a bunch of a##holes, but you also have to realize where we are coming from.
The people in this thread, and on this website, come from all forms that aviation has to offer and they have also seen a great deal of what is needed and is what needed. Go read around the forums and you'll see all the different types of experience this great site has to offer. People here are trying to help you out, they may come off as being mean because about every week someone comes through here saying the same things you are and we go through this all the time. Seggy is an airline captain and has flown with a wide variety of first officers, I'd take home what he says.
The airline you go to work for WILL pay for ALL of this! You paying $17k for an RJ course will have no advantage to the guy sitting next to you that CFI'd his way to where he is as long as he knows how to pay attention and do what he is told - does that sound like it is worth $17k to you?
It seems like you are just not wanting to put forth the effort of getting your CFI. You can get a CFI cert. in a 1-2 week period.
bdhill1979
Gone West
And payed a Hell of a lot less than $17K
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
So, let me see if I've got this correct:
You come on here asking for advice...then, when smart and experienced people give you advice that you don't happen to like, you brush them off as 'haters'.
Smooth.
MusketeerMan
Well-Known Member
CFI'ing was the best decision I've made in regards to reaching my goal of flying for a living...you hear it all the time, but you truly start to learn when you start instructing.
I'm just now reaching 1000 hours and feel I might be ready to get on with a regional.
I think we all know you've made up your mind, but it's worth a shot. Take some time to get some advice from people you know...not people who are going to make a ton of money by you buying the course...
I'm just now reaching 1000 hours and feel I might be ready to get on with a regional.
I think we all know you've made up your mind, but it's worth a shot. Take some time to get some advice from people you know...not people who are going to make a ton of money by you buying the course...
Mr.Maximus
New Member
Wow is right, but maybe not in the way your thinking. NO ONE is dumping on you - you are getting real world, factually based, and professionally sound opinions from people already doing what you aspire to do. 40 + posts saying the same thing should demonstrate that there may be some sound facts to back up the prevailing opinion. "A bunch of haters"??? I'll accept the fact your a young kid with very limited exposure to professional flying and leave that one alone. Everyone you have received an opinion from has also "put everything they have into flying and have busted their asses" too - so you are not doing anything more than others that have come before you. Since you don't like what anyone has to say because it's not what you want to here, try this. I suggest you take TWO RJ courses - do them back to back and you'll be extra prepared for when you eventually take the class at a regional. Sad thing for you/your parents or financial institution is - the guy/gal sitting in the seats to your left and right - will get the same exact job as you without going into the hole for another 17k.
Many of us on here are Captains, and I'm sure you wouldn't hesitate to listen and learn from us on the flightdeck - maybe you should consider doing the same in here......it just might save you 17k.
intern_mike
E-175 f/o
Don't get me wrong guys. I love Jetcareers and I appreciate all the input. But this is what I see as "my" path to the airlines. I don't want to CFI, if I had to I would, but it's not for me. Aside from the $, what's the problem? And even better, how bout some suggestions on what to do in leu of the Airline Direct Track, not involving CFIing.
Bumblebee
Commodore
Come on guys, you can give a horse some sugar or you can hit it with a 2x4. I know he's already got his heart set on this course, so he came here to get folks to back him up. He's probably a little shocked at the response.
You know how us pilots are, like a freight train runnin' down the track until someone throws out a red lantern.
Allright . . . Intern Mike . . .Hey man I know that some of the opinions were pretty harsh. I don't have a lot of time to post right now as I'm buried deep in schoolwork. I would love to have a conversation with you about all of this tomorrow. I went through the ATP RJ course, it was $1,000.00 and it was still a waste of dough. I PM'd you my phone number.
Now don't go spending that kind of loot (17G!!!) on the advancement course until we have a conversation. Please don't think these guys are A-holes, they are just tired of the schools that sell you newbies this bill of goods, that we have to deal with when you get to the line.
If you spent half that dough, you could fly your uncle around in a sweet airplane and establish a friendship with a family member who's got similar interests. Wouldn't that be cool? (8,000/120 per hr=66 hours) Plus I bet he'd have some solid advice to you on how to proceed with your training and career choices.
Most of us started on these boards when we were student pilots and have saved thousands while we streamlined our training and careers by listening. Sometimes listening to what we didn't want to hear and even changing course! Every one of these guys that has expressed frustration with you, really wants you to make the more educated choice, and not to help these snake oil salesman continue take advantage of the new blood.
All that being said, I agree w/ BOBDDUCK and R2F and Seggy (matter of fact we all know each other and are friends) . No one is hating on you. We're frustrated that you feel that you need to give the school 17G when you don't need to.
You came to the right place for advice . . .