good idea to fly with 777 captain?

Yea i suppose it really wouldn't matter to him. I'd like to show off my new multi skills tho. But really I'm going to get in touch with him and see if he wants to fly.
 
You know what, folks, sometimes, it doesn't matter how logical what you say is, the person you're saying it to just won't listen.

Trust me, I know. I've been on both ends of the discussion!
 
Not intended as a personal slam against intern_mike; But, his willingness to buy the job AND the fact that the job can be bought are the 2 reasons the future prospects of a pilot career have one way to go. Down.

Not placing the blame all on intern_mike. If I was in my young 20's and saw a fast track I would have jumped on it. In your early 20's the future is so far away it's difficult to connect what you're doing now will have significant negative consequences 30 years into the future.

Although I list 2 reasons, I place 1 blame. The blame lies with the current pilots who have allowed the barriers to entry to fall so low. I ask you this, what good is the job if by the time you get there all the rewards have been stripped away? The American Medical Association, and the American Dental Association have long ago figured out what the Airline Pilot Association has never figured out.
 
intern_mike said:
I asked myself the very same thing. I originally wanted to CFI. But the cost for the ratings is exactly the same. Not to mention you have to chug through three more ratings. Not to mention rent etc. all while not getting paid. THEN giving another year or so back to the school to teach kids 8's and shortfields in the Cadet. Riiight. I'll take the RJ thank you.
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Does the course give you a TYPE RATING on CRJ, ERJ or whatever??? Anyway aren't airlines PAYING for the type ratings for new hires??? At least the CFI gives you something to fall back on IMHO, and you can get a good cheap place to get them...
Oh and for flying with the CA, I think he would enjoy connecting with the stick and rudder, pure VFR type of flying. And for that the cadet is good enough.:)
 
intern_mike said:
I asked myself the very same thing. I originally wanted to CFI. But the cost for the ratings is exactly the same.

I've spent maybe a few grand getting Commercial, CFI, and CFII. You're at the wrong school chief.

Not to mention you have to chug through three more ratings.

Heaven forbid...

Not to mention rent etc. all while not getting paid.

And paying 17k on the course is going to even the playing field substantially?

THEN giving another year or so back to the school to teach kids 8's and shortfields in the Cadet. Riiight. I'll take the RJ thank you.
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Yeah I hate giving things too...

intern_mike said:
And are you insinuating that I'm crazy for enrolling in the program?
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Yes.

intern_mike said:
For myself, I'd be finishing with 250-300 flight hours.
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Oh ok I get it now.
 
BobDDuck said:
Yes... I think he is. And from what I've heard, I tend to agree.

You are going to spend $17,000 (which is about how much you are going to make your first year on line) to get hired somewhere?

I'd call that crazy.
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IN MY DEFENSE... I'd make 29k my 1st year, which is horrible. But it's not 17k and it's happening a year sooner than if I went the CFI route. Oh plus the time it takes to get CFI-CFII. Doesn't this make a little sense to anyone? CFI went from solid career move to miserable, underpaid, overworked slave boy. Go somewhere else i hear? I'd love to, so they can do the same. Or not work at all b/c i'll be at a 61 operation. All with student loans. Anyone!?
 
What do me and these other guys know...its not like we got hired by airlines or anything

whatever you do make sure you get in a jet...you dont want to end up in a dirty old turboprop...you will NEVER make it to the majors. The shinier the better

What flavor are they serving over there at FSA? Red or purple?
 
intern_mike said:
IN MY DEFENSE... I'd make 29k my 1st year, which is horrible. But it's not 17k and it's happening a year sooner than if I went the CFI route. Oh plus the time it takes to get CFI-CFII. Doesn't this make a little sense to anyone? CFI went from solid career move to miserable, underpaid, overworked slave boy. Go somewhere else i hear? I'd love to, so they can do the same. Or not work at all b/c i'll be at a 61 operation. All with student loans. Anyone!?
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My $.02

I am working as a CFI at a part 61 operation and I have no shortage of students. In fact I am turning down students.

$29K would be a pay cut; a big one.

$17K is a down payment on a house.

Ask your 777 captain uncle what he thinks.
 
Intern Mike:

I'll throw my hat in the ring here and say:

Save your money! Don't spend another dime (after FSA) for a "guaranteed" job....anywhere.

In the end- really- it's not worth it.

As some have already suggested, ask your 777 connection what he thinks. I can almost guarantee he'll agree with me and the five or so other airline pilots who have advised you to save your money and not take the RJ course.

Best of luck in whatever course you take, but please DO listen to those who are where you want to be.

R2F
 
To clear things up a bit it's not a RJ course. You receive time in FSA's ERJ sim. But that's just to get a feel for the aircraft and checklist flows etc. It's more of a learning tool. There's lot's of ground school and Seminole and Frasca time as well. The final checkride however, is in the RJ sim. One big bonus of the sim is that you'll have a leg up in that portion of the airline's checkride. My former roommate said he and another FSA student had a huge advantage over the other new hires.
 
intern_mike said:
To clear things up a bit it's not a RJ course. You receive time in FSA's ERJ sim. But that's just to get a feel for the aircraft and checklist flows etc. It's more of a learning tool. There's lot's of ground school and Seminole and Frasca time as well. The final checkride however, is in the RJ sim. One big bonus of the sim is that you'll have a leg up in that portion of the airline's checkride.
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Or you could just pay attention in the airlines training class and pass anyway.
 
intern_mike said:
To clear things up a bit it's not a RJ course. You receive time in FSA's ERJ sim. But that's just to get a feel for the aircraft and checklist flows etc. It's more of a learning tool. There's lot's of ground school and Seminole and Frasca time as well. The final checkride however, is in the RJ sim. One big bonus of the sim is that you'll have a leg up in that portion of the airline's checkride. My former roommate said he and another FSA student had a huge advantage over the other new hires.
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What they are getting at is why are you spending $17k on something that the airline will buy you for FREE when you get hired.

and the course is only 3-4 weeks long.
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You can have your CFI in half the time.

I don't guess people are aware of how much little you really know about aviation until you become a CFI and have to actually teach that knowledge to someone that has never stepped in an airplane before. I guess that is something you'll never know...

What is going to happen, hopefully it never happens, when you get furloughed from your regional? What do you have to fall back on; your RJ course means nothing.
 
It sounds a lot like an RJ course to me :confused:

What's so special about getting this job when all you have to do is pay for it? I fly with captains who consider themselves lucky to have gotten hired on 1900's with +2,000 hours.... as first officers. These flight schools must be making a fortune off of these RJ courses. What a scam.
 
intern_mike said:
I'll take the RJ thank you.
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What happens if you *GASP* get hired to fly the ATR or Saab?

intern_mike said:
For myself, I'd be finishing with 250-300 flight hours. I got my private here so that would be everything. The success rate is 98%, and that carries through to the training you'll receive from the airline. It prepares you trust me. It will be your life until you finish. But you will have started a career as a well trained and more over competent pilot.
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The most competent guys I have flown with, have had all of their CFIs.

intern_mike said:
To clear things up a bit it's not a RJ course. You receive time in FSA's ERJ sim. But that's just to get a feel for the aircraft and checklist flows etc. It's more of a learning tool. There's lot's of ground school and Seminole and Frasca time as well. The final checkride however, is in the RJ sim. One big bonus of the sim is that you'll have a leg up in that portion of the airline's checkride. My former roommate said he and another FSA student had a huge advantage over the other new hires.
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When you do get hired, why don't you tell your instructors you are at an advantage because of the course work you have done. Would love to see their response!

Good luck!
 
intern_mike said:
To clear things up a bit it's not a RJ course. You receive time in FSA's ERJ sim. But that's just to get a feel for the aircraft and checklist flows etc. It's more of a learning tool. There's lot's of ground school and Seminole and Frasca time as well. The final checkride however, is in the RJ sim. One big bonus of the sim is that you'll have a leg up in that portion of the airline's checkride.
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OK, but back to my original question: do you get an actual ERJ type rating??? If not then what's the difference between this program and other RJ courses???:confused: Are you shelling out 17 grand for something the airline typically pays for?
 
bdhill1979 said:
Or you could just pay attention in the airlines training class and pass anyway.
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Exactly. Airline training was pretty darn easy actually. You show up, pay attention, ask good questions and you are in like flynn.

Intern_mike, do you have a four year degree?
 
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