GoJet, Yup, For Real, A thread about it.

[Nick]

While I see where you're going and what you mean, Ive taken issue with this way of thinking for a long time. The military's non-flyer shoe clerks try to use this line of thinking of, for example, "if you can't keep boots polished and dont have the discipline to do so, how can we be assured you're competent enough to drop bombs on target???" Some of the most competent guys we have, are ones who toss the BS aside.

Completely apples and oranges. The only thing someone working at GoJets proves, is that they're willing to work at the bottom-feeders of bottom-feeders which has a bad name. Their other motives arent anything that can be proven.

Of course, none of this changes the reason GoJets was created or where it stands now, don't get me wrong.

I certainly see what you mean but I think there is a difference between keeping one's uniform tidy and making a significant career move.

I know the shoe polish is just an example you've used, but still -- choosing a direction one's career takes is among life's biggest decisions. It's right up there with getting married, having kids, or buying a house.

So, I think that if they are willing to make a career decision that, as Boris says, relies on them being forgiven by peers to continue on track, with the possibility of that not even happening, I really truly have to question their overall decision making skills.

 

[Nick]

Perhaps, just maybe, the folks commuting...don't bother using GoJets for a ride. I know, don't bother thinking about it like that.

Exactly. I do not commute at this time but in my mind a GoJet flight on the departure screen does not exist as an option for me for reasons described above.

I'm totally okay with it being a two-way street. I expect nothing else.

Glad I can walk up to a Southwest, Kalitta, TSA, Continental, FedEx, American, SkyWest, United, Evergreen, Mesaba, Piedmont, US Airways, etc. crew and introduce myself and ask for a ride instead of slinking into the cabin with my crew badge in my pocket hoping nobody notices me. That's no way to operate. I can't even imagine feeling like that while walking around airports for days at a time, spinning the badge around backwards. Totally bizarre.

 

[BobDDuck]

Like Nick said, if the flight is a GoJet flight, I don't even consider it an option to ride on.

Because of that, I have no problem saying no when they request a ride.

Now, unfortunately, apparently this has hurt other crew members at the airline I work for because they have been denied a jumpseat because our airline (in general) doesn't take GoJetters.

I feel bad, but not bad enough to stop doing what I'm doing.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Like Nick said, if the flight is a GoJet flight, I don't even consider it an option to ride on.

Because of that, I have no problem saying no when they request a ride.

Now, unfortunately, apparently this has hurt other crew members at the airline I work for because they have been denied a jumpseat because our airline (in general) doesn't take GoJetters.

I feel bad, but not bad enough to stop doing what I'm doing.

In addition to Bob's comments I would add:

I don't know Pinnacle's FOM but Gojets is not on our approved J/S list. If the Captain wants to make a call and get approval fine, I wouldn't when I was Captain nor would I if I ever become CA again.

Someone above asked "if we deny to United furloughs too", and to my knowledge our union members still get flak from the United MEC during ALPA meeting about our continuing policy. We had an alter ego carrier (Big Sky) whose pilot group not only told us to screw off when we offered to bring them on in the contract and union, the company used Big Sky as a negotiating tactic against us. We had to give up any hope of good pay on our jet's to get any scope on the Big Sky clowns. In retrospec the scope was the best thing we ever did and we were able to get some (not all) of that FO pay fixed during the JCBA, but it left a bad taste in the pilot groups mouth (the senior half) and I feel like we do our best to distance ourselves from any alter ego carrier existing (GoJets) or deceased (Big Sky).

I understand for some of you this is "politics" or "121 thing" or whatever you want to demean it. If you can read THIS article and still roll your eyes at our or any pilot group for these "jumpseat wars" then God bless you. I honestly give up on trying to convince everybody of everything I believe and agree with but PLEASE at least try to see it from our POV.

If you are too lazy to even read the article while critizing 121 guys like me please preface your comments so it's easier to ignore you.

 

[MikeD]

Perhaps, just maybe, the folks commuting...don't bother using GoJets for a ride. I know, don't bother thinking about it like that.

I did think about it like that. And Id bet it goes both ways, depending on what someone needs at a given time. Of course, don't think about it like that either.

 

[MikeD]

I certainly see what you mean but I think there is a difference between keeping one's uniform tidy and making a significant career move.

I know the shoe polish is just an example you've used, but still -- choosing a direction one's career takes is among life's biggest decisions. It's right up there with getting married, having kids, or buying a house.

So, I think that if they are willing to make a career decision that, as Boris says, relies on them being forgiven by peers to continue on track, with the possibility of that not even happening, I really truly have to question their overall decision making skills.

So long as they make an informed decision (no excuse not to in this day and age), then they should know what to expect in the industry I suppose.

 

[JumpWake]

So...what is your anonymous friend going to do? Did he make a decision?

 

[Douglas]

Makes me happy that I'm flying boxes and don't have to worry about these politics and jumpseat wars. Some of the logic used to determine if a company is a scumbag operator is laughable at best.

Dood...You were slagging multiple freight companies just a couple of weeks ago.
Do I even need to go through your history and quote you? Nope...it was that recent.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Makes me happy that I'm flying boxes and don't have to worry about these politics and jumpseat wars. Some of the logic used to determine if a company is a scumbag operator is laughable at best.

There's pros and cons to both side. Cargo or not I still deal with jumpseaters. Fortunately, 99.99% of the jumpseaters I have had have been great people and professional.

Like Nick said, if the flight is a GoJet flight, I don't even consider it an option to ride on.

Because of that, I have no problem saying no when they request a ride.

Now, unfortunately, apparently this has hurt other crew members at the airline I work for because they have been denied a jumpseat because our airline (in general) doesn't take GoJetters.

I feel bad, but not bad enough to stop doing what I'm doing.

Good for you. I have jumped numerous times on carriers that pull out scab list and check names. Not introducing yourself to the capt is a dangerous game. Get the right capt and kiss your jumpseating priviledges for you and possible your company good buy...

 

[derg]

I still remember riding home to PHX from SLC where the captain decided to lecture me about not checking in with him for his jumpseat.

After his tirade was over, I showed him my S-3B pass.

 

[Douglas]

After his tirade was over, I showed him my S-3B pass.

A what pass?

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Question of etiquette for you 121 guys, every once in a while I need to fly my plane one way and airline right back on a purchased ticket. Should I still be checking in a letting him know i'm on a purchased ticket or just take a seat and explain if asked?

 

[derg]

A what pass?

I was a non-rev, but had my epaulet shirt on because I was enjoying the airport bar.

Question of etiquette for you 121 guys, every once in a while I need to fly my plane one way and airline right back on a purchased ticket. Should I still be checking in a letting him know i'm on a purchased ticket or just take a seat and explain if asked?

Take a seat. If asked, you're a passenger! We fly A LOT of crews over to Europe and you'll see guys hop on in full uniform that just do the old head nod. Not a problem!

 

[Douglas]

Take a seat.

Will continue to do so!

 

[Polar742]

I was a non-rev, but had my epaulet shirt on because I was enjoying the airport bar.

Take a seat. If asked, you're a passenger! We fly A LOT of crews over to Europe and you'll see guys hop on in full uniform that just do the old head nod. Not a problem!

Yeah, there are lots of crews that ride on tickets.

Personally, when I'm on a ticket, I'm out of uniform. We've had a few guys have a similar problem to what Doug described while riding in the polyester costume.

 

[derg]

Yeah, there are lots of crews that ride on tickets.

Personally, when I'm on a ticket, I'm out of uniform. We've had a few guys have a similar problem to what Doug described while riding in the polyester costume.

Love it!



Ahh yehhhh, whu'whuuuuuut!

 

[dasleben]

Yeah, there are lots of crews that ride on tickets.

Personally, when I'm on a ticket, I'm out of uniform. We've had a few guys have a similar problem to what Doug described while riding in the polyester costume.

I travel in uniform all the time on full-fare tickets (though I normally change out of uniform if I'm on my way home), and haven't yet been questioned about it. Just a "Thanks guys" on the way out the door, and no big deal. One Delta captain looked like he was about to say something to me once, but after my head nod I just kept on walkin'.

 

[derg]

Too funny!

We know if you're there because you'll be on the AWABS. Hey, I figure if someone were jumpseating, they would have the professional courtesy to introduce themselves.

 

[dasleben]

Yup! I'd say the vast majority of crews just assume that we're positioning around on tickets (which is true) and leave us be.

Actually, my favorite are the strange looks I get from other pilots when they see me in flipflops and cargo shorts hossing around a PNS bag and be-stickered flight kit!

 

[kiloalpha]

Even if I bought a ticket, I'll still wear the monkey suit just because of TSA. Zip to the front of the line of 100 to 200 people, no groin groping, no radiation treatments, and my personal favorite: more than 3 oz of whatever. It's great. Even if every passing pilot gives me the stink eye for not wearing a tie.

 

[Polar742]

Checked bags FTW.