GoJet, Yup, For Real, A thread about it.

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I heard someone put it this way once, and I had never even thought of it in this manner:

At least a scab waits for a strike to take someone's job.

You probably heard that from me. I've been saying that since way back in the Freedom-A days.

With that said, I don't think someone taking a job at GoJets today is taking anyone's job. We fought the fight at TSA/GoJet, and we lost. The NMB wouldn't declare a single transportation system, so even though the language is pretty clear, we lost that battle. Such is life. Time to move on.

But, to be clear, I still don't recommend that anyone go to GoJet. Why? Simply because, as you can see on this thread, a lot of people still don't think of them any differently today than they did the day that GoJet was started. In this career, you just don't want to burn bridges, because their aren't a whole lot of career opportunities out there. A lawyer, doctor, accountant, etc. has literally thousands of possible employers. We, on the other hand, really only have a handful. If you want a true career airline job, then you've got Delta, American, United, USAirways, Alaska, Southwest, FedEx, UPS, and JetBlue. That's it. The regionals are out there, but there just isn't enough job security to count on them for the entire length of a career. So, with less than 10 possible career employers, you really have to be careful about doing something that could eliminate yourself from their consideration. That's why everyone needs to get a 4-year degree, even though a lot of us know that it has absolutely nothing to do with this career. And yes, that's why you shouldn't PFT or work at a place with a bad reputation like GoJet. Don't risk weeding yourself out of consideration at any of the handful of career jobs that are available. It's just not smart.

 

[lostplanetairman]

We, on the other hand, really only have a handful. If you want a true career airline job, then you've got Delta, American, United, USAirways, Alaska, Southwest, FedEx, UPS, and JetBlue. That's it.

That's your opinion. I think I have a true airline job. My airline treats me very nicely post strike, thank you.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

That's your opinion. I think I have a true airline job. My airline treats me very nicely post strike, thank you.

I knew I was going to forget somebody. Sorry. I agree, Spirit is a career job, especially with the new contract.

 

[X-Forces]

Seriously, just tell "your friend" to go ahead and go to work for GoJet. With "his" level of righteous self-justification "he'll" certainly be comfortable blaming others for any misfortune that arises from his decision, so I just don't see much down side for him.

Dude, I really thought you'd turned a corner. I guess not.

I'm bored though so I'll play along.

So, GoJet is different than Lakes or CommutAir because despite those places having low pay and terrible work rules they weren't created solely to undermine another pilot group. Sure, their rates may do that, but that is very different than places like GoJets, Freedom A (or Big Sky after Mesaba bought them) who's whole creation hinged on allowing a holding company to shuffle flying to another seniority list and bypass set pay rates already in place (or set to be negotiated due to CBA clauses).

But of course, you, err.. your friend, knows that and doesn't give a damn because as always it's about YOU (err... THEM) and it doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks.

I had higher hopes for you mang.

However misguided , James is actually asking the GoJets on behalf of someone else. He started the thread with good intentions.

 

[MikeD]

You probably heard that from me. I've been saying that since way back in the Freedom-A days.

With that said, I don't think someone taking a job at GoJets today is taking anyone's job. We fought the fight at TSA/GoJet, and we lost. The NMB wouldn't declare a single transportation system, so even though the language is pretty clear, we lost that battle. Such is life. Time to move on.

But, to be clear, I still don't recommend that anyone go to GoJet. Why? Simply because, as you can see on this thread, a lot of people still don't think of them any differently today than they did the day that GoJet was started. In this career, you just don't want to burn bridges, because their aren't a whole lot of career opportunities out there.

Interesting. Now that said though, a devils-advocate question: If the main problem with GoJet these days is simply what people think of them, even though you explain above why you don't think that someone today there is taking a job away from someone else in the same way as pre-fight; then why shouldn't the masses get educated on what the true story is, instead of people having to worry about a particular employer simply because of what the masses think? No matter if that way of thinking is now incorrect or inaccurate, as you explained? It seems that the issue now is simply reputation of a past transgression as an airline, ie- what it was originally started up as. But if in fact people of today at GoJets or getting hired on are not taking jobs away from anyone or doing anything that the original group did, why should there be a stigma? By your explanation, it appears that there indeed is a GoJets A and B, just as there was a Freedom A and B. Instead of a certificate change that separated the A/B of Freedom, its a legal battle that separates the A/B of GoJet.

Or that way of thinking completely out to lunch?

 

[WacoFan]

Interesting. Now that said though, a devils-advocate question: If the main problem with GoJet these days is simply what people think of them, even though you explain above why you don't think that someone today there is taking a job away from someone else in the same way as pre-fight; then why shouldn't the masses get educated on what the true story is, instead of people having to worry about a particular employer simply because of what the masses think? No matter if that way of thinking is now incorrect or inaccurate, as you explained? It seems that the issue now is simply reputation of a past transgression as an airline, ie- what it was originally started up as. But if in fact people of today at GoJets or getting hired on are not taking jobs away from anyone or doing anything that the original group did, why should there be a stigma? By your explanation, it appears that there indeed is a GoJets A and B, just as there was a Freedom A and B. Instead of a certificate change that separated the A/B of Freedom, its a legal battle that separates the A/B of GoJet.

Or that way of thinking completely out to lunch?

My guess is that with Freedom A/B there is a clear line of demarcation as to when it was "ok" to go there. With GoJet there is not as clear a line, so people will paint the entire thing with a broad brush. That said, we've all seen a member of these forums baste Seggy, Jtrain, and ATN with the "You told me not to go to GoJet and I didn't...but now my life sucks badly!!!" card. My guess is that he will read ATN's post about GoJet and his head will explode. Just a guess.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Mike, the main difference between Freedom and GoJet is that Freedom was absorbed into the Mesa list through negotiations and became members of ALPA. Freedom no longer exists as a separate entity, except as an operating certificate. GoJet is much different, still operating separately as entirely different airline with a different union and a different seniority list. Until that changes, it will be difficult for a lot of people to see them any differently than they used to. The combining of Freedom into Mesa and bringing them into ALPA made it easy to see that the situation had changed. Until that happens at TSA/GoJet, I don't see people's attitudes about the situation changing, even though it's probably not reasonable to attack anyone that goes to GoJet today.