GoJet, Yup, For Real, A thread about it.

[Rocketman99]

Yes and no Pat. At this point someone going there isn't part of the original cadre there much like a Freedom A guy or the Open Skies guy. Does that make them any less of a dbag in my eyes? No, because the company they chose to work for was created specifically to get around another company/contract. Because they may not necessarily still be as evi;l but still exist doesn't excuse that. Not in my eyes anyway. The Freedom thing is slightly differtent as it was quashed via the first contract afterward. Freedom A vs B is diufferent than GoJets original vs new hire. That GoJets/OpenSkies still exist are a mole on the skin of the airline industry. Just cause it may now appear to be benign doesn't make it not a cancer that shouldn't be removed.

 

[derg]

I love that "similar threads" feature I activated!

 

[moxiepilot]

well, like I said earlier, I really don't care about this fella's choices, because they really seem to be scraping for anything; but in light of some of his qualifications - if he doesn't have 135 mins I would realy recommend gaining experience before taking any job that will have him. I'm not saying in any way that I am the model of career progression, far from it. But, I'm not even thinking of applying to some places until I have another 1,000 hours, and that will put me well over 6,000 TT. Why? Because I want to be an asset not a liability. I feel sorry for these captains that have to deal with people that have their head so far up their butt that they have no idea what they're getting into, what their outs are, and options. If that sounds arrogant of me, well, I don't care to me it sounds like professionalism of being able to deal with situations you willencounter, be put in and have to deal with. I don't think someone 500-1000 hours really has that experience to draw on: icing, high altitude ops, weather, client interaction, balancing risk vs. reward. Dooooom.

 

[BajtheJino]

Pilots ARE their own worst enemies. Unity is a flipping joke. It's "unity!.....so long as I get mine first."

Yep. If there was true unity we'd be paid better (not insane but better, thats for sure) and like every profession in the world we'd be paid the same if we switched airlines because we'd have a national seniority list (does it really take 50 years to get that in place?)

I thought some of the people here, even ATN pilot, said that going to GoJet now wasn't nearly as big a deal as it used to be - I think that mindset has started to change when all the furloughees went there. At this point, I'm not sure the stench is as bad though. Do people here hold furloughed UAL guys in contempt for taking a GoJet job? Just curious. I imagine if I were a UAL guy my retort would be "So what - all regionals suck anyway so what's the difference?".

Yes. You are right. Besides, no one outside the regional world gives a crap anyways. I look at the "Don't Go There" crowd like people that see a bad, artsy movie; listen to crap pop music or that hang out at art galleries. 85% of them have no idea what they're talking about/looking at but to appear cool and awesome they spew off so much hot air that they think every one else thinks that they know what they're talking about and in reality its just something that they've heard, rinsed and repeated a la Monday morning by the water kooler regurgitating Sports Center.
Or something.

 

[jhugz]

...and currently 121.

lol

 

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Are they not represented by a Union now? Doesn't that change the game, at least slightly?

 

[HVYMETALDRVR]

How would the CP and the hiring board of a major carrier react? Granted, the opinions of the other pilots your flying with does matter but theres a lot of things that might piss off a captain and make him tell you stare out the window like saying who you voted for in the last presidential election or your opinions on don't ask don't tell. I'd be more worried about torpedoing your career. Being hired by GoJets is better than Gulfstream thats for sure...

 

[MikeD]

....but theres a lot of things that might piss off a captain and make him tell you stare out the window like saying who you voted for in the last presidential election or your opinions on don't ask don't tell. I'd be more worried about torpedoing your career. ...

Do we REALLY have juvenile babies like that flying pax around CONUS in airline aircraft? Someone getting pissed off over something and letting it bother them SO much, they won't talk to you or make you stare out the window?

I mean, I've only seen it once.....on the flightdeck of an NWA 727; all because all 3 flightcrew came from different tribes. Kinda pathetic.

 

[derg]

Red book, green book, blue book.

 

[MikeD]

Red book, green book, blue book.

I just find it quite the irony that 121 guys here talk all this talk about being treated as professionals, we're professionals, yada yada; yet they pull juvenile crap like the above or even like what I witnessed.

 

[RPM]

I know firsthand Go-Jetters get denied jumpseats at Eagle on a regular basis.. it's not all internet hype..

One thing I've noticed about them is they like to hide their identity.. which pisses us off even more and is and even quicker way to get thrown off.. Go-Jetters tend to skip introducing themselves to the cockpit crew when they get a seat in the back.. or if they actually do say hello, they hide their badge or take it off.. I have seen this quite a bit in ORD. In 100's of flights commuting, I have never once not introduced myself to the crew, shown my ID badge and asked nicely for a ride.. probably 99% of the pilots do it but in my experience most Go-jetters don't .. I think it's pretty disrespectful not too, add to that the fact they are really just trying to hide their go-jet identity..

Just last week I was commuting home on Skywest, Go Jet guy was there first and checked in before me waiting at the gate off on the side.. I said hello to the Skywest Captain, Go-Jet guy didn't.. I said to the Captain, looks like that Go-jet guy beat me here though, I probably won't get on.. He said, Go-jet.. ehh, don't worry.. you'll get on.

Guess who got the jumpseat...

For me.. If the guy isn't a total D-bag and comes and introduces himself like a man.. I wouldn't deny him a seat in the back to go home.. but I don't want him in the cockpit jumpseat.. I don't care if people agree with it or not.. It was their choice to go to that scumbag outfit..

 

[MikeD]

.....like I was saying.

These same people denying jumpseats would likely be pissed if they were wanting to JS a GoJets flight and they got denied....not to mention they'd likely have no problem JSing a GoJets flight if it served their purposes and needs. Same with those who rail against non-union carriers, but will JS on JetBlue when it serves their needs. Its hypocrisy and its all pointless. Have seen it firsthand.

 

[jhugz]

Its hypocrisy and its all pointless. Have seen it firsthand.

Makes me happy that I'm flying boxes and don't have to worry about these politics and jumpseat wars. Some of the logic used to determine if a company is a scumbag operator is laughable at best.

 

[CamYZ125]

Let me ask you this then.....where is the line drawn? Ok, so GoJets was created for what it was, and the original guys there are akin to the old Freedom A guys. As you remember, Freedom A was created as another form of alter ego to get around operating certificates, much like GoJets. Well, later down the line at Freedom, it became OK to work there, and those guys became known as Freedom B guys. Those guys had nothing to do with the original Freedom Airlines subsidiary and nothing was held against them for working at Freedom. My question then, is would someone who joins GoJet now, be considered a "GoJet B" guy? As he had nothing to do with original GoJet "plank owners", or GoJet A guys?

If the two (Freedom B/GoJet B) guys are the same, then would they be treated the same today? If not, why not, and why the different standard?

Am asking only because I want to try and insure all points of view are brought out for the said "friend" to read. Current info.

Mike,

Freedom B guys and people going to GoJet are not the same, and here's why:

When Freedom was created as a certificate to undercut Mesa (the same as GoJet to undercut TSA), the Mesa guys accepted a sub-standard contract with some of the best scope in the industry to put a stop to the Freedom undercut. The Freedom "B" guys who joined that certificate did nothing wrong; they weren't undercutting anyone, because the Mesa guys had already put a stop to it.

That hasn't happened at GoJet. If TSH management wants, they can still shift flying from TSA to GoJet.. furlough at TSA and hire at GoJet. The guys getting hired at GoJet are STILL undercutting TSA, until someone puts a stop to it..

 

[MikeD]

Mike,

Freedom B guys and people going to GoJet are not the same, and here's why:

When Freedom was created as a certificate to undercut Mesa (the same as GoJet to undercut TSA), the Mesa guys accepted a sub-standard contract with some of the best scope in the industry to put a stop to the Freedom undercut. The Freedom "B" guys who joined that certificate did nothing wrong; they weren't undercutting anyone, because the Mesa guys had already put a stop to it.

That hasn't happened at GoJet. If TSH management wants, they can still shift flying from TSA to GoJet.. furlough at TSA and hire at GoJet. The guys getting hired at GoJet are STILL undercutting TSA, until someone puts a stop to it..

Interesting information. Appreciate the writeup and clarification!

 

[Nick]

Mike,

Freedom B guys and people going to GoJet are not the same, and here's why:

When Freedom was created as a certificate to undercut Mesa (the same as GoJet to undercut TSA), the Mesa guys accepted a sub-standard contract with some of the best scope in the industry to put a stop to the Freedom undercut. The Freedom "B" guys who joined that certificate did nothing wrong; they weren't undercutting anyone, because the Mesa guys had already put a stop to it.

That hasn't happened at GoJet. If TSH management wants, they can still shift flying from TSA to GoJet.. furlough at TSA and hire at GoJet. The guys getting hired at GoJet are STILL undercutting TSA, until someone puts a stop to it..

Perfect explanation; I agree 100%. It sums up the whole thing.

 

[Nick]

.....like I was saying.

These same people denying jumpseats would likely be pissed if they were wanting to JS a GoJets flight and they got denied....not to mention they'd likely have no problem JSing a GoJets flight if it served their purposes and needs. Same with those who rail against non-union carriers, but will JS on JetBlue when it serves their needs. Its hypocrisy and its all pointless. Have seen it firsthand.

That may be the case for some but not all.

Union/non-union I have no issue with at all. SkyWest, jetBlue, Allegiant...they are all welcome on my jumpseat. Do I think they'd probably be better off with a union and getting a contract? Yes, but maybe that'll happen in the future.

GoJet is an entirely different league and I question the judgement of an individual who goes there, and therefore I would not ride on their flight unless I was in some kind of personal emergency. I'm not even talking about jumpseating here, I'm talking about even buying a ZED pass or a full-fare ticket -- I will not ride on them. If judgement or lack of standards is not present in on area of someone's life then who is to say it's lacking everywhere else too. Don't care about screwing over everyone else who works in the industry you're planning to work in for 20-30 years? Okay...well, maybe don't care about running a checklist either? Maybe, maybe not...I have to assume the attitude goes in all aspects of their life though. To not would be negligent on my part.

 

[MikeD]

Don't care about screwing over everyone else who works in the industry you're planning to work in for 20-30 years? Okay...well, maybe don't care about running a checklist either? Maybe, maybe not...I have to assume the attitude goes in all aspects of their life though. To not would be negligent on my part.

While I see where you're going and what you mean, Ive taken issue with this way of thinking for a long time. The military's non-flyer shoe clerks try to use this line of thinking of, for example, "if you can't keep boots polished and dont have the discipline to do so, how can we be assured you're competent enough to drop bombs on target???" Some of the most competent guys we have, are ones who toss the BS aside.

Completely apples and oranges. The only thing someone working at GoJets proves, is that they're willing to work at the bottom-feeders of bottom-feeders which has a bad name. Their other motives arent anything that can be proven.

Of course, none of this changes the reason GoJets was created or where it stands now, don't get me wrong.

 

[Boris Badenov]

The only thing someone working at GoJets proves, is that they're willing to work at the bottom-feeders of bottom-feeders which has a bad name. Their other motives arent anything that can be proven.

Not quite. It also proves that they're willing to take a chance that they will be reviled and loathed by their peers (fairly or not). And that speaks volumes.

 

[surreal1221]

.....like I was saying.

These same people denying jumpseats would likely be pissed if they were wanting to JS a GoJets flight and they got denied....not to mention they'd likely have no problem JSing a GoJets flight if it served their purposes and needs. Same with those who rail against non-union carriers, but will JS on JetBlue when it serves their needs. Its hypocrisy and its all pointless. Have seen it firsthand.

Perhaps, just maybe, the folks commuting...don't bother using GoJets for a ride. I know, don't bother thinking about it like that.