German Wings A320 crashed

ChasenSFO said:
Funny, I was old enough when Egypt Air 990 happened(767 F/O nosed dived into the Atlantic when the CA left the cockpit) and I know it wasn't even on the front page of all the newspapers I saw. A German guy does it with a plane full of Europeans and OMG #whitelivesmatter. I hate people sometimes.
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Now you're falling for the same hype you're criticizing. You can't compare a pre-911 event with a post-911 event. EgyptAir was in a fair amount of the news, believe me. Wide coverage of that event that I remember. But it was seen as more a fluke since it was pre-911, in my opinion. Now days, anything and everything happening with an airliner gets huge coverage from a "terrorism or not" angle, that it didnt used to, regardless of circumstances.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Let's be real, people are stupid. The lemmings that believe everything they read...read, who am I kidding, HEAR from network news will move on at the next huge tragedy or event and forget all about this. I'd bet a lot of money 1-2 years from no, if now a few months from now, you won't see much of anything popping up about this. Like I said earlier as have others in this thread, sorry folks, this ain't nothing new. Just the first one to happen in a Western country since the viral media days began. Funny, I was old enough when Egypt Air 990 happened(767 F/O nosed dived into the Atlantic when the CA left the cockpit) and I know it wasn't even on the front page of all the newspapers I saw. A German guy does it with a plane full of Europeans and OMG #whitelivesmatter. I hate people sometimes.
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Like I said: dumb people won't buy a German pilot suicide. But had it be middle eastern or asian and terrorism/ suicide is obvious.
 
MikeD said:
It's not one another who need convincing. It's the flying lay public who will listen to the media sensationalism. That's where the battle will be: public perception. Tough to change
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I did notice more people staring at me today. One of the reasons that every time there's an accident or incident I work extra hard at making sure my uniform is put together as well as could be and that I have an extra professional demeanor. I know that somewhere today somebody looked at me and said "oh no, it's a copilot...does he look like he's going to lose it? I hope he's not flying my plane."

Its screwed up, but that's the way it is.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I did notice more people staring at me today. One of the reasons that every time there's an accident or incident I work extra hard at making sure my uniform is put together as well as could be and that I have an extra professional demeanor. I know that somewhere today somebody looked at me and said "oh no, it's a copilot...does he look like he's going to lose it? I hope he's not flying my plane."

Its screwed up, but that's the way it is.
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I've had more people than normal ask me how my day is going. ;p

-Fox
 
pullup said:
Point? This seems a little far fetched to blame this on race.
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I wasn't blaming it on race, I thought that I went to great lengths to specify that mental illness can affect all. No matter their color or creed. It was simply a reply to @touch-n-go post, which was also an observation. And I was adding to that by stating that I tend to see more Caucasian admission at work than minorities. My post was more observatory in nature, and culture based than pointing fingers.

Similarly as another example to what I said in my amended post, at least in regards to reporting. Minority men tend to have higher HIV related numbers because they do not report or get regularly tested, and or just don't want to know. And thus if positive don't seek treatment and knowingly or unknowing infect others. Versus whites who are more likely to get regularly tested and seek treatment. The same example holds true for reporting and testing of mental illness across race and socio-economic lines. Whites tend to seek out treatment far more often, where as minorities ignorantly believe that mental illness or HIV is simply a white thing. Which probably leads me to what I witness daily when it comes to involuntary acute in-patient treatment.

But there are so many other varying factors at play here, to truly arrive at a factual based assessment. That I'm not qualified for, yet. So with that, I'll just stop there.
 
MikeD said:
Now you're falling for the same hype you're criticizing. You can't compare a pre-911 event with a post-911 event. EgyptAir was in a fair amount of the news, believe me. Wide coverage of that event that I remember. But it was seen as more a fluke since it was pre-911, in my opinion. Now days, anything and everything happening with an airliner gets huge coverage from a "terrorism or not" angle, that it didnt used to, regardless of circumstances.
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Fair enough, I see your point. I forget the terrorists won sometimes. Well, time will tell I suppose.

As for Egypt Air, I meant more along the lines of there wasn't hysteria about it, it was just a terrible and insane event but I don't remember seeing any coverage worrying about it happening again tomorrow. But as you said, pre-9/11, much more clear now that I consider it.
 
SeanD said:
Im not sure having one up front would have changed the outcome if the guy was hell bent on getting it done.
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No.

But it's one additional link that could fortify the chain of accident.

One, it makes a human presence. I thought I ready the majority of those who commit suicide do so when alone. Understandable, as they don't want anyone else there to stop them. So that right there would be a thing of a watching pair of eyes.

Two, they'd have to fly the plane and try and incapacitate the FA at the same time. Not saying they couldn't do it, but again, another "thing" this guy would have had to contend with.

Three, the FA doesn't have to beat up the pilot. All the FA really has to do is unlock the door or hit the unlock switch position and door opens.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I did notice more people staring at me today. One of the reasons that every time there's an accident or incident I work extra hard at making sure my uniform is put together as well as could be and that I have an extra professional demeanor. I know that somewhere today somebody looked at me and said "oh no, it's a copilot...does he look like he's going to lose it? I hope he's not flying my plane."

Its screwed up, but that's the way it is.
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Agreed. And what you're doing is all you can really do.

It's bad enough being forced to pay the proverbial bar tab for drinks you neither ordered nor wanted.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Fair enough, I see your point. I forget the terrorists won sometimes. Well, time will tell I suppose.

As for Egypt Air, I meant more along the lines of there wasn't hysteria about it, it was just a terrible and insane event but I don't remember seeing any coverage worrying about it happening again tomorrow. But as you said, pre-9/11, much more clear now that I consider it.
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Ah, I see what you mean now. And that makes sense.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Doesn't matter. Maybe you had a coffee.

My record was DTW-CMH, a 32 minute flight. Leveling at 14,000 ft I looked at the guy and said, "You're gonna hate me, but I gotta go....."

He didn't care one bit.
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I have another pee story. This one involved getting hired. When I got the good news at VX, the congrats email said I had 48 hrs to do the drug test. I was on a 4-day trip at the time and it was day 1. No matter, the list of available locations showed that JFK had one site near the cargo buildings - a drug testing facility. I happened to have a 3.5 hr sit in JFK on that trip so I figured the timing was perfect. I took along the big bottle of water (~55 fl oz) from the plane and drank some before going to the test site. Once I was there, I just couldn't produce. I panicked and that just made it worse. I took that entire bottle of water and chugged it down. Finally, I was able to give a sample and went on my way. Only problem was now I was peeing every 20 minutes. The last flight for the day remaining was JFK-BWI which is ~30-40 minutes. Same thing, we level at 12k and I tell the guy my story and that I have to go. He had a good laugh, and to the back I went for the walk of shame.
 
touch-n-go said:
Just saw that. If that is the real deal someone is going to be in hot water for leaking an ongoing investigation.
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No EGPWS warnings? Would this FO really have the know-how to push the TERR and GPWS SYS buttons to off? And if he was going to turn these switches off, why not the FDR/CVR circuit breakers?

Sounds fake IMO
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I did notice more people staring at me today. One of the reasons that every time there's an accident or incident I work extra hard at making sure my uniform is put together as well as could be and that I have an extra professional demeanor. I know that somewhere today somebody looked at me and said "oh no, it's a copilot...does he look like he's going to lose it? I hope he's not flying my plane."

Its screwed up, but that's the way it is.
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Yup. Had one pax say to me today, "I read about the Germanwings crash. You guys are ok right?" What I really, really wanted to say back to him was, "yup, we are fine. We didn't know anyone killed in the crash. Thanks for checking though."
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
No EGPWS warnings? Would this FO really have the know-how to push the TERR and GPWS SYS buttons to off? And if he was going to turn these switches off, why not the FDR/CVR circuit breakers?

Sounds fake IMO
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The terrain warning alarm was apparently also heard/recorded, from what I have read.
 
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