German Wings A320 crashed

ahw01 said:
Sure it was an unknown unknown before this event, but something tells me US management has better checks and balances. I can't point to what, and I may be proved wrong in time, it's just a feeling I hold.

I'd be interested to know what his sympathies or otherwise with the strike were for example.
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Really??? You think the strike now had something to do with his mental state? I've seen some grasping at straws on here, but this is ridiculous. With the incredible safety record and excellent training history of British Airways, Lufthansa and Qantas for example, what exactly makes you think/believe this way this besides "a feeling"? Having decades in this industry, I can assure you that management's main concern are not for their individual employees, or even their employees as a group, they are for the bottom line ($) period. When they are forced by regulatory agencies to make changes, they often drag their collective feet, fight the requirements/changes and do the minimum. Who developed/started the HIMS program for example? It sure as hell wasn't "management".

Let's see, here in the US we've had more than a few FAs lose it, a Captain who lost it during a flight and had to be restrained by the Pax, a pilot deadheading on FedEx who tried to kill the crew, an idiot who goes on a bigoted rant with a hot mike, a Captain who got into a verbal and then physical fight with a Pax in a terminal, pilots who have shown up under the influence for work, and other bizarre events. What exactly did US management do to prevent these incidents? How well did the "checks and balances" work in these cases?

One should look at the FAA itself which still stigmatizes those with mental and emotional issues. Society as whole in this country has changed for the better overtime in the understanding and treatment of mental illness a little, but very little. The misconceptions still abound.

Something can be building for a long time in an individual that they themselves do not fully understand. They live in fear of losing their profession. People can also, just "snap". A serious of personal cascading events can lead almost anyone down a dark road. We may never know what happened to this young man or the events leading him to make/take such a tragic, horrible decision. But the realm of mental health is a much more complicated issue rather than just assuming that "management", any management in any job sector deals with these issues thoroughly or properly, when in fact, they do not. It is completely naive to believe otherwise.
 
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Derg said:
I still remember when the door would be open up until moments before takeoff.

When you'd say "flight attendants prepare for takeoff" coming up to the runway, he would say "Cabin is ready for takeoff" and slam the door shut.

Seems like a generation ago.
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Long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away...I flew as a UM quite a bit. Once, I got to ride up front in a TWA 727 right up until we crossed the hold-short line and on several occasions hang out enroute.


queeno said:
Worst part is they drag up that scag Scary Mary, oh and the things ive been screaming at my TV. You see controllers dont like her either.
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Quit watching CNN. PROBLEM SOLVED. I still have to give her props for her response to Don Lemon and his black hole question.
 
MikeD said:
Personnel Reliability Program. Just like what our military people who work with NBC-related items are required to work with. Already have heard that one bounced around for 121 crews now.

Sheesh....
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Well, the PRP for NBC certainly worked well up at Malmstrom and Warren. Perfect failsafe, or something.
 
Crop Duster said:
Well, the PRP for NBC certainly worked well up at Malmstrom and Warren. Perfect failsafe, or something.
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Got rid of the problem once identified. Supposed its something, but a real pain of a program for those involved.

Crossover to airlines? I heard talk of it in the past day, but who knows....
 
MikeD said:
Got rid of the problem once identified. Supposed its something, but a real pain of a program for those involved.
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But, that's kind of a weak answer/solution. Once identified...? Or once identified and publicized by the press? It was a known and accepted issue by those on the inside, those in charge of it's very management in fact, for quite some time. Pardon my rustic philosophy, but foxes just shouldn't guard the hen-house.
 
Crop Duster said:
But, that's kind of a weak answer/solution. Once identified...? Or once identified and publicized by the press? It was a known and accepted issue by those on the inside, those in charge of it's very management in fact, for quite some time. Pardon my rustic philosophy, but foxes just shouldn't guard the hen-house.
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Not weak at all. I've seen any number of people crap-canned in this program. it's not an easy program to live under/with, by any means. Maybe that's part of the problem.
 
seagull said:
Which of course explains why the accident rate for the 737 is higher than the A320...
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Dudes, seriously. The argument of 737 vs A320 is as relevant as who's pecker is bigger or who's car is faster. Its almost as a "Yo Momma is so fat" fight. If you like one or the other, then so be it.

Back to the issue, I still can't get my head around this. 600 hours, no difference. Unless he planned it. Idk I still gotta read more.
 
deadstick said:
"Will the missileers turn their keys?"
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+1 for me being another person agreeing that when we look back this will be one of the leading incidents preceeding the development of the pilotless airliner.
 
piperpainter said:
I would say this is an accident that will make the European airlines start to bring FA in when one of the pilots leave.
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Possibly. But who knows if that would even make a difference, to someone hell bent on their mission. Just one person they'd have to take out before doing what they're going to do.
 
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