Geoprefs for Pubnat 8

lukemorehouse said:
Hopefully you can respect the fact that the individual carrying me through this process asked that i do not refer specific information that he tells me through the message board (i was excited enough to tell him about it during one of our assesments of where i was in the process), and for that reason I do not want to name the specific facility. I will say that I compare what he tells me to what I see here on the boards for accuracy. In addition, i post things i learn from him that i deem useful to others because the board has been useful to me, however, I would not want to throw anything that could come back directly on him against his wishes.

I know that he has room to be wrong as well, so i like to just throw things up here to consider with everything else we try to conclude and eliminate...
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The reason I question what you are being told is because I'm getting my information from my HR rep. They work with the ATO on the actual number of people that get hired. When I talked to the ATM for the region where I'm going, all he really knew was that there were slots for new hires and that all four facilities were overstaffed. He had numbers, but because he is not responsible for the hiring process, what he knew obviously didn't match up to what was/is actually happening.

It'd be interesting to see a facility take 60 trainees in one year, though. I'd gladly early-retire before that happened. :cool:
 
jermscentral said:
The reason I question what you are being told is because I'm getting my information from my HR rep. They work with the ATO on the actual number of people that get hired. When I talked to the ATM for the region where I'm going, all he really knew was that there were slots for new hires and that all four facilities were overstaffed. He had numbers, but because he is not responsible for the hiring process, what he knew obviously didn't match up to what was/is actually happening.

It'd be interesting to see a facility take 60 trainees in one year, though. I'd gladly early-retire before that happened. :cool:
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He was just promoted to head of some sort of Ratheon training (forgive if i spell or pronounce anything incorrectly as I am learning as I go along)..but he is contracted under Ratheon and working alongside individual with same position but working directly under FAA...

He said the facility actually requested 88 slots for this Fiscal year, however, was only granted 60. He said due to terminations, medical retirements and regular retirements that may happen during the year unexpected, they may get granted the additional slots throughout the fiscal year as well. In addition, he also indicated that when it comes to a facilities' slots, they try to limit how many people they get from a Single PUBNAT. He also indicated in reference to the hand picking process I was explaining, that its not necessarily done when that selection panel arrives. Sometimes it is done before..for instance..

Manager A has a list of 8 people that he knows he wants in his location for whatever specific reasons (good impression made, someone spoke highly of candidate, etc). His facility is allotted 32 people for the Fiscal year. Of those 8 people 2 are PUBNAT 6, 3 PUBNAT 7, and 3 PUBNAT 8. That manager has the ability to request by social and full name a certain applicant that he wants automatically selected before the panel for that PUBNAT even arrives. So if you scored WQ on your AT-SAT, the panels may be going on in two weeks for PUBNAT 6 but by the time your panel for PUBNAT 7 rolls around, they have long before been notified to pick your name off the list before they start searching through the others that have requested that facility, etc. In other words, they set aside slots for specific names wanted in advance so lets say 32 people wanted that facility from PUBNAT 6 alone. They would pull the names he requested for PUBNAT 6, set aside slots for the people they want from PUBNAT 7 and 8 until those panels roll around, and then still only fill SOME of those available slots with other people from PUBNAT 6. Outside of the individual picks, he said they tend to try to spread filling their available slots THROUGHOUT the fiscal year. In other words, you may be directed to your backup choice even while there are still slots open in your first choice if they hit their number of people they want from that PUBNAT alone. (Hope I didnt confuse anyone)

He said that they just had 3 trainees arrive from Oklahoma City at begining of November so I am assuming those were probably PUBNAT 6 applicants. He said they were definitely OTS as they are now involved in the training that he heads now. He noted that the rumor is true that they are now trying to be consistent in speeding things up, but that some of the Oklahoma classes will be pushed off by a little more than a month of original scheduling due to some new training that the managers have been mandated to take due to some new directive from Federal Judge due to some union/Faa conflicts years ago. You may know more about that than I understood him trying to explain.
 
lukemorehouse said:
He was just promoted to head of some sort of Ratheon training (forgive if i spell or pronounce anything incorrectly as I am learning as I go along)..but he is contracted under Ratheon and working alongside individual with same position but working directly under FAA...

He said the facility actually requested 88 slots for this Fiscal year, however, was only granted 60. He said due to terminations, medical retirements and regular retirements that may happen during the year unexpected, they may get granted the additional slots throughout the fiscal year as well. In addition, he also indicated that when it comes to a facilities' slots, they try to limit how many people they get from a Single PUBNAT. He also indicated in reference to the hand picking process I was explaining, that its not necessarily done when that selection panel arrives. Sometimes it is done before..for instance..

Manager A has a list of 8 people that he knows he wants in his location for whatever specific reasons (good impression made, someone spoke highly of candidate, etc). His facility is allotted 32 people for the Fiscal year. Of those 8 people 2 are PUBNAT 6, 3 PUBNAT 7, and 3 PUBNAT 8. That manager has the ability to request by social and full name a certain applicant that he wants automatically selected before the panel for that PUBNAT even arrives. So if you scored WQ on your AT-SAT, the panels may be going on in two weeks for PUBNAT 6 but by the time your panel for PUBNAT 7 rolls around, they have long before been notified to pick your name off the list before they start searching through the others that have requested that facility, etc. In other words, they set aside slots for specific names wanted in advance so lets say 32 people wanted that facility from PUBNAT 6 alone. They would pull the names he requested for PUBNAT 6, set aside slots for the people they want from PUBNAT 7 and 8 until those panels roll around, and then still only fill SOME of those available slots with other people from PUBNAT 6. Outside of the individual picks, he said they tend to try to spread filling their available slots THROUGHOUT the fiscal year. In other words, you may be directed to your backup choice even while there are still slots open in your first choice if they hit their number of people they want from that PUBNAT alone. (Hope I didnt confuse anyone)

He said that they just had 3 trainees arrive from Oklahoma City at begining of November so I am assuming those were probably PUBNAT 6 applicants. He said they were definitely OTS as they are now involved in the training that he heads now. He noted that the rumor is true that they are now trying to be consistent in speeding things up, but that some of the Oklahoma classes will be pushed off by a little more than a month of original scheduling due to some new training that the managers have been mandated to take due to some new directive from Federal Judge due to some union/Faa conflicts years ago. You may know more about that than I understood him trying to explain.
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Strange, because the two ATMs from two different terminal locations in two different states (one of which sits on the panel selection committee) to whom I talked before panel selection last year told me specifically that they were not allowed to request people any longer. Before the FAA changed the hiring procedures and essentially outsourced the HR department, they could do just that -- directly request people be pulled to their facility by notifying the panel selection committee, who would then set that person aside for that particular facility. Now, they don't have those strings to pull, since the ATO handles it differently with HR. Facility managers can request people, but having the person actually get selected for their facility was considered luck. I got a glowing recommendation to work at Nashville from a controller that has known me for 18 years and is pushing retirement age, and the ATM wrote down my information, but then she explained that it unfortunately doesn't work the way it used to for them. She couldn't even get her own son into BNA because the process of string pulling was dubbed totally unfair (which it really is).

Also, Raytheon isn't considered a part of the FAA; they're contracted by the FAA. That's the reason we can't really get class information from TO, even though she did so much of the PEPC work for us and was in constant communication.

Maybe Centers are different, and I can only guess that your mystery facility is a Center with as many new hires as you're referencing for a single fiscal year.

I don't want to be saying you're incorrect, because the facility you're referencing may very well have that ability; I'm just going by what FAA HR and two tower folks that have been ATMs for 20+ years told me over the past year.
 
jermscentral said:
Strange, because the two ATMs from two different terminal locations in two different states (one of which sits on the panel selection committee) to whom I talked before panel selection last year told me specifically that they were not allowed to request people any longer. Before the FAA changed the hiring procedures and essentially outsourced the HR department, they could do just that -- directly request people be pulled to their facility by notifying the panel selection committee, who would then set that person aside for that particular facility. Now, they don't have those strings to pull, since the ATO handles it differently with HR. Facility managers can request people, but having the person actually get selected for their facility was considered luck. I got a glowing recommendation to work at Nashville from a controller that has known me for 18 years and is pushing retirement age, and the ATM wrote down my information, but then she explained that it unfortunately doesn't work the way it used to for them. She couldn't even get her own son into BNA because the process of string pulling was dubbed totally unfair (which it really is).

Also, Raytheon isn't considered a part of the FAA; they're contracted by the FAA. That's the reason we can't really get class information from TO, even though she did so much of the PEPC work for us and was in constant communication.

Maybe Centers are different, and I can only guess that your mystery facility is a Center with as many new hires as you're referencing for a single fiscal year.

I don't want to be saying you're incorrect, because the facility you're referencing may very well have that ability; I'm just going by what FAA HR and two tower folks that have been ATMs for 20+ years told me over the past year.
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Sounds like what you are saying may very well possibly be true. maybe it is and he hasnt gotten the memo yet...LOL. Yea, he told me that he was contracted by the FAA, but working alongside the other lady who is directly under FAA was giving a slight advantage of information. What he said as far as the hand picking was concerned was that they are only allowed to now hand-pick 25% of their total allotment as they were able to do more previously i assume. I will definitely keep you guys updated as things progress to erify the validity or lack thereof. Yes, it is definitely a center though.
 
Hey USAF2180,
Do you, or anyone else have any info on New Hampshire or Kansas? Not too much discussion on here or stuckmic about New Hampshire, and only a little about Kansas. My fiance is from New Hampshire and her dad works at Boston Center and I'm from Kansas so these are the two logical choices for me. I was passed up in Pubnat 5 for Colorado and Illinois for Center selection with a 92.2.
 
i just got my atsat scores back from PUBNAT9 just wondering how long everyone had to wait till they got to pick their geo-prefs....let me know thanks!!
 
Andrewpta said:
i just got my atsat scores back from PUBNAT9 just wondering how long everyone had to wait till they got to pick their geo-prefs....let me know thanks!!
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The one that's not even open yet? Wow.



...okay, typo. Anyway, geo prefs will probably happen early to mid January. Testing's continuing well into December, and there're a few weeks (possibly longer) between the two.
 
Hello all. Forgive me if this seems like a dumb question, but I'm a newbie to the ATC employment process. I'm reading and reading different info on different threads and picking up as much as I can. My question now is about the geo preference. When you receive the geo preference email, do they ask for only two states, or is it two specific cities, or what? Again, I'm new to all this so forgive me if this has been answered one million times on some other thread that I haven't found. I'm still learning. I applied for PUBNAT 8, received my email about scheduling the AT-SAT last month, and took the test in Indiana on the 12th. Just got my results back today, 100 - well qualified. Just wondering what is next, outside of waiting...:)
 
Anyone know about Madison, WI or dulles, either tower or enroute for either? I know I still need to call the ATM, but I'm waiting for panels before I do that. Otherwise CA, IL, MA, RI, MD, DE, MN, ND, CO, or AZ are also viable first pick areas. Anyone know a place that will definitely need people?
 
NSK3912 said:
Hello all. Forgive me if this seems like a dumb question, but I'm a newbie to the ATC employment process. I'm reading and reading different info on different threads and picking up as much as I can. My question now is about the geo preference. When you receive the geo preference email, do they ask for only two states, or is it two specific cities, or what? Again, I'm new to all this so forgive me if this has been answered one million times on some other thread that I haven't found. I'm still learning. I applied for PUBNAT 8, received my email about scheduling the AT-SAT last month, and took the test in Indiana on the 12th. Just got my results back today, 100 - well qualified. Just wondering what is next, outside of waiting...:)
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You pick two states. There is also a comment section where you can list a few things.

1. They ask for counties in the states you picked. This really isn't necessary, but if you've got your heart set on a certain area, by all means list it.
2. Go ahead and tell them if you want a specific facility. Give the name or the code, either is fine.
3. If you just want the job, and don't care where you go, you need to say "Willing to relocate throughout the United States and territories"

Also you will put if you want to work at a terminal (an airport tower with pretty windows where you land planes and clear them for take off), or enroute (a dark room in a dark building where you stare at a screen with dots on it that represent planes flying in the airspace between airports), or both (either).

If you really want this job, make sure you list throughout the US and both.
 
srm1734 said:
I guess I would pick either OH and GA
or OH and CO
or OH and TX
or OH and ?????

But I either want ZOB or CLE
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Hey there.. just a heads up for a fellow buckeye. CMH and DAY are both not hiring for FY2010. I got picked up for CMH, waiting patiently in line. Doubt they will put applicants in line for CMH and DAY, especially CMH from the line of people with TOLs waiting to get in it may be a few years, but CLE I am not sure of - I hope you get ZOB or CLE!! Good luck!
 
Thanks for the info WoH, it is greatly appreciated. I wonder why they even worry about sending a geo preference email when they already ask your geo preference when you fill out the application. Seems a little counterproductive to me. Oh well, I will jump through the hoops. One other question I have though, I was reading through your other posts and in one you mentioned speaking to an ATM in which he told you that they know that if you someone doesn't want to be somewhere then they know they won't work out there. In saying that, wouldn't it be better to list two preferences of places that you really want to be, as apposed to saying you are open to anywhere? For instance, I have lived in TN and KY in the past few years, and I love both states. So, I was more than likely going to use TN and KY, and hope for a spot in Nashville, Chattanooga, Louisville, Lexington, or Covington/Cincinnati. Seeing as only Nashville, Louisville, and Covington are actually hubs, I would think I have a greater chance at one of those three since they should have more ATCs. Let me know if my logic here is crazy or not.
 
NSK3912 said:
So, I was more than likely going to use TN and KY, and hope for a spot in Nashville, Chattanooga, Louisville, Lexington, or Covington/Cincinnati. Seeing as only Nashville, Louisville, and Covington are actually hubs, I would think I have a greater chance at one of those three since they should have more ATCs. Let me know if my logic here is crazy or not.
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Even though BNA has a bunch of ATCs, it is already backed up with trainees and has a "waiting list" just to get in -- both from transfers and from new hires. Expect to wait a year or two just to get in there, if you can get selected. The ATM there, Sherry, told me they're one of the most requested facilities.
 
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