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Yes FL is pretty hard to get into. ZMA/ZJX are really your best chances. Most the terminal facilities have people lined up to transfer to most of them, especially now with this contract where people can finally transfer and not take a huge paycut...
 
Im thinkin about RI and MA, if anyone has some input on these locations it would be great..... If i put down MA am i considered for Boston Center even though its located in nashua NH?
 
Thanks. Now I gotta decide what basket to put my eggs in. Most likely Boston center would have more positions than Logan..
 
I already live in ATL, so I was thinking GA and CO. I've always wanted to live where it snows...

Anyone heard anything on either of those?
 
I'm headed to ZDV. They picked up quite a few of us in PUBS 4-6. I still don't have a class date yet and was selected in June. I don't think too many OTS get picked for D01 or DEN.
 
RdRunnr12 said:
I'm headed to ZDV. They picked up quite a few of us in PUBS 4-6. I still don't have a class date yet and was selected in June. I don't think too many OTS get picked for D01 or DEN.
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wimper...sob....

oh Longmont...why do you tease me so.
 
Anybody know how it's looking for RI, CT, and NH? I hear Boston tower is pretty much full and taking their last new guy in the next couple of weeks.
 
I heard the same about Boston tower not hiring for FY 2010 from someone who works there. I am visiting PVD tower in early January so I'll let you know if I find anything out. I am looking to stay in this area...considering putting NH because Boston Center is located in Nashua. With more controllers there our odds may be better....just a thought
 
Don't count on any high level terminal facilities. There's been talk within hiring lately about holding back on sending OTS/CTI hires there anymore because the washout rate for hires without experience is so ridiculously high. Why they thought it'd work in the first place is beyond me.

I'm not saying it won't happen... I don't call the shots. Just that it's been brought up as a significant concern and, in my own opinion, the FAA will probably go back to the former system of bringing up terminal developmentals through lower level facilities first -- since they end up there anyway after washing out (assuming they're not fired outright).
 
they should just be fired... isnt that what they did in the old days? If you cant do it, youre gone.

If I cant fly the airplane I am hired to fly, Im gone.

I dunno... its not like there isnt enough applicants to fill the vacancies. of course I will probably have a different opinion if I ever get hired, but I think they give people adiquate time and training to figure it out!
 
SIUav8er said:
they should just be fired... isnt that what they did in the old days? If you cant do it, youre gone.

If I cant fly the airplane I am hired to fly, Im gone.

I dunno... its not like there isnt enough applicants to fill the vacancies. of course I will probably have a different opinion if I ever get hired, but I think they give people adiquate time and training to figure it out!
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Yeah think about what you said. After they've invested money into training you (OKC) you want them to just fire you after you cant cut it in a highly complex, busy airspace? That's not exactly a learning environment either...
 
SIUav8er said:
they should just be fired... isnt that what they did in the old days? If you cant do it, youre gone.
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I dunno... its not like there isnt enough applicants to fill the vacancies. of course I will probably have a different opinion if I ever get hired, but I think they give people adiquate time and training to figure it out!
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Like Bigey says, it's not really that simple. The high level Terminals were never geared towards having inexperienced controllers trained there, so they were really getting thrown to the wolves. I suppose that management had the option (and might've exercised it at times) to fire the people who showed no promise at all, but it's cheaper to hold onto a trainee to see if they can cut it at an easier facility than bringing in a new one.

At washout rates from 70-80%, maybe more, it's clear that they were doing something wrong. Hopefully it's not just talk and they really are doing something about it.
 
You would think they'd have an exam to weed the washout applicants out to begin with. Seems like the AT-SAT is irrelevant and unreliable. Also I found a document released by the FAA regarding the AT-SAT. They modified the test to comply with affirmative action a few years ago. (The don't give you a higher score just because you're a minority, they just modified the weightings on the test based on a triple blind study so that it benefits specific minority groups.)

What ever happened to getting a job because you deserve it? <3 the fed. :crazy:
 
aviator5ds said:
You would think they'd have an exam to weed the washout applicants out to begin with. Seems like the AT-SAT is irrelevant and unreliable.
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I'm no big fan, but in the FAA's defense (ugh), they're trying to make the best out of a tricky situation. From all accounts, aptitude at controlling traffic is a thing that you can either do or you can't, and it's hard to measure outside of actually doing that job. The AT-SAT was an attempt to try and rank candidates with no experience into those who seem most likely to be successful. Just how effective that is... well...

And high washout rates at places like Atlanta, Chicago and other massive facilities don't have as much to do with a poor trainee as unrealistic expectations. This helpful overhead shot of DFW should help explain why:

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Just from my observation being at the academy for about three weeks now. Its really really not the intention of the FAA to wash out anyone its your ability to absorb and learn the way you have to be to become a controller. People who are not decision makers and do not seem to take the information for what it is seem to have problems at the academy. BUT if you are able to pick up the huge amount of info the way the academy wants you to learn its not hard at all and not a problem. Remember only about 2-3% washout not everyone whenever and however you guys get to the academy you will really be able to pick out the people who have trouble they stick out really really bad.
 
dreamer83 said:
Just from my observation being at the academy for about three weeks now. Its really really not the intention of the FAA to wash out anyone its your ability to absorb and learn the way you have to be to become a controller. People who are not decision makers and do not seem to take the information for what it is seem to have problems at the academy. BUT if you are able to pick up the huge amount of info the way the academy wants you to learn its not hard at all and not a problem. Remember only about 2-3% washout not everyone whenever and however you guys get to the academy you will really be able to pick out the people who have trouble they stick out really really bad.
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The rudder controls what axis of the airplane?
Um, blueberries?
:eek:
Ya, there are people like that in OKC.
 
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