Furlough Estimates

Of my friends I know that committed suicide, one was pre-9/11 and the others were a few years past.

I fully expect in the next year to unfortunately lose more. I have plenty of money, a stable job, an employed wife and lots of seniority and I have to actively manage anxiety and stress. Now if people are on the precipice of furlough, spousal issues, children looking for guidance through this mess and maybe family with health issues, I have literally no idea how they’re coping.

Which further ties together the absurdity of having your health care attached to your employer the way we do here in the US. I’ve seen managements using healthcare for bargaining purposes. Kind of makes me livid at this point in all of this. Sure government-ran healthcare may not be perfect, but is what we currently have working? Tens of thousands will find out soon...

Anyway, I’m fairly conservative is most of my beliefs. Healthcare I guess isn’t one of them.

As for any of this getting better, it simply isn’t. Steadily holding around 30%. Revenues still down 85%. Future bookings anemic. Many states are seeing a continued resurgence. Europe is discussing another lockdown. Think what you want about these measures (I certainly have my own opinions) but it doesn’t change the fact that they are happening. There is going to be a very serious reckoning with our economy come 2021 as well. I’m just saying, it isn’t getting better quick enough to prevent what we all fear. This industry is poised to shrink dramatically.
 
Sure government-ran healthcare may not be perfect, but is what we currently have working? Tens of thousands will find out soon...
Same ones who have been wards of the government on very high end unemployment for six months, and then out of their same mouth fed by the People, condemn pandemic UI and all manner of public assistance programs.
 
Which further ties together the absurdity of having your health care attached to your employer the way we do here in the US. I’ve seen managements using healthcare for bargaining purposes. Kind of makes me livid at this point in all of this. Sure government-ran healthcare may not be perfect, but is what we currently have working? Tens of thousands will find out soon...

Anyway, I’m fairly conservative is most of my beliefs. Healthcare I guess isn’t one of them.

As for any of this getting better, it simply isn’t. Steadily holding around 30%. Revenues still down 85%. Future bookings anemic. Many states are seeing a continued resurgence. Europe is discussing another lockdown. Think what you want about these measures (I certainly have my own opinions) but it doesn’t change the fact that they are happening. There is going to be a very serious reckoning with our economy come 2021 as well. I’m just saying, it isn’t getting better quick enough to prevent what we all fear. This industry is poised to shrink dramatically.

I was just thinking about this. It really doesn’t make much sense at all.

There will be a post-pandemic world we have to rebuild, hopefully this will be one of the things we get off our ass and demand to be rectified.

I thought about the homeless population and how they don’t have access to healthcare. If they could get therapy and access to treatment, they could be productive members of society. But when you’re living in a tent looking for food, like hell you have the ability to pay out of pocket for medications and counseling which exacerbates the problem.

I make good money and have fairly crappy insurance. I could only imagine how crappy it is for the guy bagging my groceries.
 
I was just thinking about this. It really doesn’t make much sense at all.

There will be a post-pandemic world we have to rebuild, hopefully this will be one of the things we get off our ass and demand to be rectified.

I thought about the homeless population and how they don’t have access to healthcare. If they could get therapy and access to treatment, they could be productive members of society. But when you’re living in a tent looking for food, like hell you have the ability to pay out of pocket for medications and counseling which exacerbates the problem.

I make good money and have fairly crappy insurance. I could only imagine how crappy it is for the guy bagging my groceries.

You'd be surprised. A lot of the homeless are Vietnam era soldiers and have military benefits, at least from what I saw. Social Workers would coordinate care with the VA. Also In public hospitals the intake department will sign someone uninsured up with ACHCCCS. When I worked at St. Luke's behavioral down on Van Buren, the homeless and sex workers were our repeat offenders and helped keep the lights on so to speak.

They would sign themselves in, or get petitioned. But were either out or flipping the f' out around the 1st or the 15th of the month. They'd get out, get a seedy motel on Van Buren, drug, drink and have sex. Then when the money ran out, check themselves back in for a bed and three squares and rinse & repeat the cycle every month.
 
Which further ties together the absurdity of having your health care attached to your employer the way we do here in the US. I’ve seen managements using healthcare for bargaining purposes. Kind of makes me livid at this point in all of this. Sure government-ran healthcare may not be perfect, but is what we currently have working? Tens of thousands will find out soon...

Anyway, I’m fairly conservative is most of my beliefs. Healthcare I guess isn’t one of them.

As for any of this getting better, it simply isn’t. Steadily holding around 30%. Revenues still down 85%. Future bookings anemic. Many states are seeing a continued resurgence. Europe is discussing another lockdown. Think what you want about these measures (I certainly have my own opinions) but it doesn’t change the fact that they are happening. There is going to be a very serious reckoning with our economy come 2021 as well. I’m just saying, it isn’t getting better quick enough to prevent what we all fear. This industry is poised to shrink dramatically.
I was just thinking about this. It really doesn’t make much sense at all.

There will be a post-pandemic world we have to rebuild, hopefully this will be one of the things we get off our ass and demand to be rectified.

I thought about the homeless population and how they don’t have access to healthcare. If they could get therapy and access to treatment, they could be productive members of society. But when you’re living in a tent looking for food, like hell you have the ability to pay out of pocket for medications and counseling which exacerbates the problem.

I make good money and have fairly crappy insurance. I could only imagine how crappy it is for the guy bagging my groceries.

We have to put the pure politics of it aside and take a good hard bipartisan look at our Healthcare system. This pandemic should have been a wakeup call.
 
Of my friends I know that committed suicide, one was pre-9/11 and the others were a few years past.

I fully expect in the next year to unfortunately lose more. I have plenty of money, a stable job, an employed wife and lots of seniority and I have to actively manage anxiety and stress. Now if people are on the precipice of furlough, spousal issues, children looking for guidance through this mess and maybe family with health issues, I have literally no idea how they’re coping.

I’ve been out of work since my shop closed up in April. I’ve also dealt with some pretty bad anxiety issues the last year and a half...what’s surprising to me is how little my anxiety seems to be out of control during all of this. Maybe it’s because everyone else’s anxiety levels are close to what I’ve dealt with? It’s odd.


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I’ve been out of work since my shop closed up in April. I’ve also dealt with some pretty bad anxiety issues the last year and a half...what’s surprising to me is how little my anxiety seems to be out of control during all of this. Maybe it’s because everyone else’s anxiety levels are close to what I’ve dealt with? It’s odd.


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Mine is fairly controllable, I know I have flare-ups every once in a while when I sit down to work on something and then it’s three hours later, or I have ideations about taking a baseball bat and chasing down a Proud Boy type because I’m not that type of person.

I hate admitting that.
 
Which further ties together the absurdity of having your health care attached to your employer the way we do here in the US. I’ve seen managements using healthcare for bargaining purposes. Kind of makes me livid at this point in all of this. Sure government-ran healthcare may not be perfect, but is what we currently have working? Tens of thousands will find out soon...

Anyway, I’m fairly conservative is most of my beliefs. Healthcare I guess isn’t one of them.

100% agree. I’m also fiscally conservative, but very liberal socially. The fact that we don’t have real, first world Universal Healthcare in the US is just embarrassing, scary, and unacceptable.

Hopefully it’s just a generational thing, as I think most people around my age and younger are totally for it.
 
"Americans are, of course, the most thoroughly and passively indoctrinated people on earth. They know next to nothing as a rule about their own history, or the histories of other nations, or the histories of the various social movements that have risen and fallen in the past, and they certainly know little or nothing of the complexities and contradictions comprised within words like “socialism” and “capitalism.”

Chiefly, what they have been trained not to know or even suspect is that, in many ways, they enjoy far fewer freedoms, and suffer under a more intrusive centralized state, than do the citizens of countries with more vigorous social-democratic institutions.

This is at once the most comic and most tragic aspect of the excitable alarm that talk of social democracy or democratic socialism can elicit on these shores. An enormous number of Americans have been persuaded to believe that they are freer in the abstract than, say, Germans or Danes precisely because they possess far fewer freedoms in the concrete.

They are far more vulnerable to medical and financial crisis, far more likely to receive inadequate health coverage, far more prone to irreparable insolvency, far more unprotected against predatory creditors, far more subject to income inequality, and so forth, while effectively paying more in tax (when one figures in federal, state, local, and sales taxes, and then compounds those by all the expenditures that in this country, as almost nowhere else, their taxes do not cover).

One might think that a people who once rebelled against the mightiest empire on earth on the principle of no taxation without representation would not meekly accept taxation without adequate government services. But we accept what we have become used to, I suppose.

Even so, one has to ask, what state apparatus in the “free” world could be more powerful and tyrannical than the one that taxes its citizens while providing no substantial civic benefits in return, solely in order to enrich a piratically overinflated military-industrial complex and to ease the tax burdens of the immensely wealthy?"

~ David Bentley Hart
 
That won't matter with a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court. There is no chance of Universal Healthcare in the USA during any of our lifetimes.

Democrats take the Senate (and keep the House). Filibuster ended. DC and Puerto Rico (maybe even Guam?) get voted into statehood. Vote is passed expanding the number of Supreme Court justices. Universal healthcare becomes law.

The above scenario is obviously the “nuclear” option, as described by many Democrats, but something not that far out of left field I don’t think, especially in today’s political environment. If the Republicans are going to jam through ACB, when they took the exact opposite position in 2016 about Merrick Garland, then I think the Democrats will have little choice but to retaliate, and retaliate big.

Universal healthcare could absolutely happen in our lifetime. It could easily get repealed too, if/when Republicans take the Senate back and vote to have infinity and 1 Supreme Court justices.

Basically, we’re all f’d.
 
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Democrats take the Senate (and keep the House). Filibuster gets ended. DC and Puerto Rico (maybe even Guam?) get voted into statehood. Vote is passed expanding the number Supreme Court justices. Universal healthcare becomes law.

The above scenario is obviously the “nuclear” option, as described by many Democrats, but something not that far out of left field I don’t think, especially in today’s political environment. If the Republicans are going to jam through ACB, when they took the exact opposite position in 2016 about Merrick Garland, then I think the Democrats will have little choice but to retaliate, and retaliate big.

Universal healthcare could absolutely happen in our lifetime. It could easily get repealed too, if/when Republicans take the Senate back and vote to have infinity and 1 Supreme Court justices.

Basically, we’re all f’d.
I want them to pack the • out of the court if this happens.
 
You guys want the govt to control the money thats in healthcare?

Wouldn't you like the benefit of having healthcare for and your family at the chance you lose your job and your company assisted healthcare goes away.


Which brings up another point. People with low wage jobs typically don't opt into their company's healthcare plan simply because they cannot afford it. So they were just going to the emergency room when they contracted any kind of illness prior to the Affordable Care Act. These emergency room visit bills typically fell back onto the rest of us due to then not being able to pay them.
 
I get that the court will probably destroy Obama care, but how is universal health care unconstitutional?

It's "unconstitutional" if 5 Supreme Court Justices agree it is. If some form of Universal Healthcare becomes law there will absolutely be court challenges, just like there were with the Affordable Care Act. They'll be able to find some excuse to strike it down- their reasoning for striking down mandatory Medicaid expansion under Obamacare was already flimsy.
 
You guys want the govt to control the money thats in healthcare?
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Despite being among the top world economic powers, the US remains the sole industrialized nation in the world without universal health care coverage.”

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