Furlough Estimates

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Feelings? How about nationwide we get feelings to accept that 1-2 million Americans will be dead in one year from Covid. And then not care about feelings on that matter. Science and math don't care for anyone's feelings.
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How about we accept that people are going to die from cancer, and just let corporations dump carcinogens in the air and water?

Shoot, long term we’re all dead, and I’m sure your profit sharing would be bigger if they didn’t pay for those pesky health benefits. Your taxes would certainly be lower if we just quit funding things like EMS and fire departments (after all, those buildings are going to come down some day, might as well just accept it).

I echo jtrains sentiment from elsewhere, how do you manage to put on pants in the morning?
 
Roger Roger said:
How about we accept that people are going to die from cancer, and just let corporations dump carcinogens in the air and water?
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I’m not a carcinogen. And with the solution we’ve chosen, everyone is being treated like a carcinogen. We’re all guilty of potential covid19.


Shoot, long term we’re all dead, and I’m sure your profit sharing would be bigger if they didn’t pay for those pesky health benefits. Your taxes would certainly be lower if we just quit funding things like EMS and fire departments (after all, those buildings are going to come down some day, might as well just accept it).

I echo jtrains sentiment from elsewhere, how do you manage to put on pants in the morning?
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Profit share bigger if they didn’t pay for whose health benefits? My company and I both pay for my health benefits, it’s a joint responsibility to pay premiums. As for taxes, soon all across America municipalities/cities and states are going to feel the effects of people staying at home and not earning money. No paycheck to tax! Dumb analogy. We have fire department and EMS to respond TO a fire and directly fight the fire that’s ALREADY burning. If you want to quarantine someone ALREADY infected, have at it - and we should. But our solution is treat everyone like they’re infected and stay home. That’d be like the fire department saying every single building is a fire hazard, so we’re gonna proactively spray it with our white foam retardant. And then spray every single building in the city and then tell us congrats, you wont have any fires now. Yeah, great, but at what cost? Now with foam crap everywhere, there isn’t a city left to go back into.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’m not a carcinogen. And with the solution we’ve chosen, everyone is being treated like a carcinogen. We’re all guilty of potential covid19.




Profit share bigger if they didn’t pay for whose health benefits? My company and I both pay for my health benefits, it’s a joint responsibility to pay premiums. As for taxes, soon all across America municipalities/cities and states are going to feel the effects of people staying at home and not earning money. No paycheck to tax! Dumb analogy. We have fire department and EMS to respond TO a fire and directly fight the fire that’s ALREADY burning. If you want to quarantine someone ALREADY infected, have at it - and we should. But our solution is treat everyone like they’re infected and stay home. That’d be like the fire department saying every single building is a fire hazard, so we’re gonna proactively spray it with our white foam retardant. And then spray every single building in the city and then tell us congrats, you wont have any fires now. Yeah, great, but at what cost? Now with foam crap everywhere, there isn’t a city left to go back into.
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But why pay health benefits at all? You’re going to die, might as well just accept it and have more money. Same thing with EMS and fire, why do we bother paying for those at all? Those people are going to die some day and those buildings are going to come down, so why not use all that money to buy crap you don’t need? Isn’t that what you’re saying? People are going to die so let’s just ignore it and get on? But then in the next sentence you say we should quarantine the infected...but then elsewhere you say that testing and contact tracing to find and isolate the infected is useless...man, I can’t make sense of you at all. Are you Capt. Dunning or Capt. Kruger? And in all of this you give lip service to the experts being right, but in spite of having seen multiple examples of what that looks like, you somehow think that it would be fine and dandy if we just pretend it’s not happening, like those 1-2 million people just evaporate and the rest of us will go on with our happy little lives, buying stuff and airline tickets so you can keep whining about how expensive your house in California is.
 
Roger Roger said:
But why pay health benefits at all? You’re going to die, might as well just accept it and have more money. Same thing with EMS and fire, why do we bother paying for those at all? Those people are going to die some day and those buildings are going to come down, so why not use all that money to buy crap you don’t need? Isn’t that what you’re saying? People are going to die so let’s just ignore it and get on? But then in the next sentence you say we should quarantine the infected...but then elsewhere you say that testing and contact tracing to find and isolate the infected is useless...man, I can’t make sense of you at all. Are you Capt. Dunning or Capt. Kruger? And in all of this you give lip service to the experts being right, but in spite of having seen multiple examples of what that looks like, you somehow think that it would be fine and dandy if we just pretend it’s not happening, like those 1-2 million people just evaporate and the rest of us will go on with our happy little lives, buying stuff and airline tickets so you can keep whining about how expensive your house in California is.
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We have insurance because medical services aren’t free. But you have a point. A large portion of the medical services is spent extending life of people already above the life expectancy, they make up a large portion of expenses for very little gain. This is actually a pretty big thing in this country, Americans love to extend life - much longer than sometimes they should considering their age. And then for some reason, you also love to throw your parents into nursing homes in this country. We don’t do that in our culture. They live with us, and if we have to, we hire help to take care of them. We don’t let our elders die off in a retirement home.

Your side’s solution is to keep the economy shut down for an extended time - until a cure or treatment - and that is NOT a viable solution. You cannot kill of the economy, people’s jobs, their well being!
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
As in, there’s a 0% chance there won’t be furloughs.
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Agreed. I just read another article this morning discussing if AA is going to even exist as they continue to burn 50-70 MILLION dollars/day, and he thinks there are going to be zero furloughs?

I'm an AA Executive Platinum and wish nothing but the best for AA. But some people are seriously sticking their head in the ground around here.
 
This seems encouraging?

SOURCE

Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years
Source: Preliminary COVID-19 estimates, CDC

Scenario 5:
Current Best Estimate

0-49: 0.0005
50-64: 0.002
65+: 0.013
Overall: 0.004
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
This seems encouraging?

SOURCE

Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years
Source: Preliminary COVID-19 estimates, CDC

Scenario 5:
Current Best Estimate

0-49: 0.0005
50-64: 0.002
65+: 0.013
Overall: 0.004
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@Roger Roger
CDC Current best estimate is right column:
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BEEF SUPREME said:
No matter if you view this as a scientific issue or a political one. The forensic science is going to happen. Eventually there will be an antibody test that is reasonably reliable. They will understand the true nature of the virus.
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Aren't the pretty reliable now?

I was in the "I had a really bad flu and think i had this" camp. So I went and had the SARS-CoV-2 Antibody IgG, it was negative. Quest claimed that this test is 100% accurate if positive and only has a 2% false negative rate.
 
jtrain609 said:
Lay it out for me. What's the total fatalities if the entire united States is infected. That population, for reference, is 328.5 million people.
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What is the CFR for the flu?
How many people die per year of the flu?
Attach that cfr to your reference number.
 
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