SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Great, so let’s all wear goggles now, too. 
Furlough Estimates
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thepotato232
Well-Known Member
There are plenty of reactions available to us other than "dismissive" or "hysterical". The eye, a network of semi-permeable mucous membranes, is a potential vector for viral infection. This has been known for over a century. Treating it like a farcical hoax until it surfaces like some horrible eldritch truth is the surest way to cause an eventual panic, as we have seen time and time again since this whole mess started.
deadstick
Well-Known Member
People are screaming about jobs and the demise of the airline industry. Well, you’re not going to get butts in seats until those butts feel safe, and gas is cheap. Plain and simple.
So now you claim to have the level and diversity of experience to successfully manage a 1549 scenario? Hindsight is beautiful—the most beautiful, actually.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
The only reason people don’t feel safe is because you insist on sowing panic.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Ummmm... have you reread your post in this thread alone or your post on FB???
You and @Yakob are all about the panic/worst-case scenario.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
This is all caused by virus panic. Yakob and I would have no furlough or economic doom to talk about were it not for you virus doomers.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I'm a virus doomer now??? Interesting! Checks my FB feed and my JC post. Nope, I haven't even posted about anything directly related to COVID-19. Like ever, I believe.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Well, this will affect a lot of flight schools such as Aeroguard that heavily rely on Chinese, Korean and Indian students. Possibly making even CFI-ing not an alternative during the downturn.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Sorry, so many doomers around here it’s hard for me to keep track. Didn’t mean to smear you unfairly with that horrible characterization.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
I’d try again but yeah you didn’t read anything about how the stories I’m seeing are fear based posts picking on a single industry. The one most of the people here at JC happen to be employed by.
When I see 100-200 articles in a given week with a lot of fear based claims and recommendations that people wear goggles in Costco. I’d say ok fair enough.
Right now I’m only seeing that about airplanes.
Sure if you touch your eyes with your single use COVID covered gloves you’ve been wearing all day you could get sick. Weird how no one is creating panic about that and say going to Home Depot.
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tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
I've never been on the side that it's a hoax, but I'm definitely not a virus doomer. Especially as more data comes out. But I typically reserve those opinions to myself because it's becoming increasingly political now and we are nearly past the point of no return now.
I don't think we can talk our ways out of this one. We've spooked too many people, worldwide. Vaccine is probably what our industry needs to return to normal. Hence why I think 2-3 years to recover.
I mean it was nice dreaming of more flying people for Christmas. But now the media is prepping the people for a very DEADLY winter/flu season and almost trying to force lockdowns again. I mean an article yesterday said they were having huge outbreaks in China again? 20 new cases is a big outbreak? And where is China's testing data?
I don't think we can talk our ways out of this one. We've spooked too many people, worldwide. Vaccine is probably what our industry needs to return to normal. Hence why I think 2-3 years to recover.
I mean it was nice dreaming of more flying people for Christmas. But now the media is prepping the people for a very DEADLY winter/flu season and almost trying to force lockdowns again. I mean an article yesterday said they were having huge outbreaks in China again? 20 new cases is a big outbreak? And where is China's testing data?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
A vaccine won't mean a return to normal economic activity. It will be just the START of a return. It will still take years after that. The depression will be severe, and it will ripple through time for a long while.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Sure it will and how long did that 08 recession, the great recession!!!, take to recover from? As far as discretionary income vacationers and business travellers rebounding? That was a lot better than what people were saying going into it. So again I think 3 years, vaccine, and we are a lot better economical position as well. Not saying it's 2019 pax levels.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Ok Doomer.
There has already been some serious traction gained in treating and managing this. So I don't think economic doom will be reality for a decade after this. It's going to hurt for awhile sure, but we're making progress and as time goes forward if we learn we can manage it more like the seasonal flu then game on. Things like this could certainly help before a vaccine arrives...
San Diego's Sorrento Therapeutics says antibody might have ability to fight COVID-19
The biotech company is preparing to make the protein part of a cocktail to battle the virus
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
I’m right there with you. It’s no hoax, but plenty of people want to drag this out as long as possible.
The medical “experts” who want to save face because their body count was so off.
A certain segment of the population. Think about it, you don’t have a job, you’re making more on unemployment, then you were working, and on top of that you don’t have to pay you rent/mortgage, car payment, or student loan. Some people are in the best financial shape of their lives, and want to milk this for as long as possible. They’ll be quite upset when the unemployment gravy train ends, and it’s time to pay bills again.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
We had an effective smallpox vaccination in 1796. It became required in the US in the 1800's, and it still took us 200 years to eradicate smallpox. Even if we do find an effective vaccination for Covid - my best guess is it will take 5 years to manufacture and distribute enough of it to make any difference.
In the meantime, we are probably going to end up dealing with Covid the same way smallpox was dealt with - frequent, strict quarantines. There's a lot of similarities between the epidemics - highly contagious, up to 14 day incubation, respiratory transmission, etc. Unless or until some treatment is found that improves the case fatality rate by an order of magnitude, we won't have any better options.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Smallpox is also the only virus we have eradicated fully. Ever. Things like polio still exist in small pockets of the world. And we all know a good few eradicated from our shores diseases are back due to some • morons. If we had a safe effective vaccine tomorrow a quarter of the population would refuse it because autism.
Remdisivir seems to work really well based upon the studies done on it. Especially if it's used early.
There's a bit of an issue with making it fast enough, but why are we not pointing to that and saying here we go, we have an effective drug, now let's all quite losing our damn minds?
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Deleted member 27505
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Welllllll, sort of. "Eradicated" is such an absolute word. Properly interpreted, it would take things out of play for fun and bio-warfare. So let's be a little less liberal in our use of that particular word.
z987k
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Honestly with the devastation that could cause, someone should bomb both the US and Russian locations where it's held. Like maybe a 3rd party country. Nuke it from orbit. I'd rather see actual nukes fly than smallpox become wild again. At least with the nukes it'd stop shortly after it started and only a few hundred million would be dead.
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Deleted member 27505
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"Normal"??
Viruses are the normal state of biology, our biosphere, and our evolution. They have been for Eons, probably from the very beginning. Essentially, they are pure information. Viruses control us, not the other way around. Assuming otherwise is like the pre-Copernican assumption that the earth was the center of the universe. You know... both arrogant and stupid (which is typical as those two dudes generally like to hang together).
Our pre-covid economic delusion of never-ending cancerous growth?... that was the anomaly, not the normal. Get some proper historical/scientific/and non-common sense perspective!!
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