SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I think he’s still on the whole blatantly racist “foreign pilots crashed a perfectly good airplane“ kick.
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I think he’s still on the whole blatantly racist “foreign pilots crashed a perfectly good airplane“ kick.
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I still maintain that one could have at least upset the average U.S. 737 driver with an off-schedule MCAS actuation, especially before everyone was told about it. Maybe not a complete, unrecoverable departure, but surely a little mess and a few cycles of “hey that’s weird hey HEY HEY!”
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I suspect a good number of them would straight up crash, just like the accident pilots.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
He said they figured things about MAX weren’t so good. Implying that this is post-recertification problems. That’s why I asked what’s wrong.
While I don’t deny Boeing and the FAA messed up on certification, Boeing had a single point of failure, MCAS could run unlimited times, etc, in the end those two crashes happened because pilots couldn’t pilot.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
No. I said nothing about race or foreigners. And who are we Americans ones to talk? The last two major crashes in America (Atlas and Colgan) happened because pilots were liars about their incompetency.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
There is zero evidence that supports the notion that the pilots in the accident cases were incompetent. Unlike in the Colgan and Atlas cases, where training histories clearly showed people who never should have been in a cockpit.
Your assumptions about those pilots are at least xenophobic, if not racist.
Your assumptions about those pilots are at least xenophobic, if not racist.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Shows how much you know about the accidents. Look up the Lion Air FOs history. He had a history of failures and training deficiencies, a classic case of never should have been flying a plane.
And as for Ethiopian, it was a 250 hr ab initio pilot. But in this case, after the stab trim switches were cut off, the FO manually trimmed the nose DOWN. He then reported to the CA that he couldn’t get the nose up. That was their kiss of death. Incompetence but also lack of experience.
If you haven’t studied the crews and their actions, you are not being honest in this conversation. The funniest thing is seeing you call me xenophobic or racist, when looking at YOUR history throughout time on JC against me when it came to religion. You are a bigoted person, and despite your claims of having gotten self help, it doesn’t look like you’ve changed. You are back to your old self.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Religion is a choice. I'm not getting into this with you again.
And is the JetU graduate seriously questioning the competence of an ab initio pilot? Unbelievable.
And is the JetU graduate seriously questioning the competence of an ab initio pilot? Unbelievable.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
I have a tough one with the Colgan accident. I totally get what you’re saying - but that’s basic Cessna 170 stuff to add throttle when you level off from a descent. That and I thought flight safety did a decent job on training them.
The background story of Marvin and his failures is a whole different story.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So you admit then, the low time was a consequence and influencing factor? Yeah, I was one. And I’ll be honest, it’s a handful. But bottom line remains these two guys KNEW about MCAS by then. There is no reason they should not have been able to counter and control the airplane. He was a low time pilot, but his primary action of manually trimming nose down was the kiss of death. Once he reported to the captain he couldn’t get the nose up, they decided to re-engage the stab switches and the rest is history.
I’m telling you what is. The Lion Air FOs background is out there for those who want to see. The Ethiopian was just pure incompetence.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
As far as I’m concerned, he ran away from the industry and refused to train on the 737. So without having flown it and seen normal STS behavior and trim in action, I take everything he says about the 737 with a grain of salt. He will always hate that airplane. And Southwest Airlines.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Your reading comprehension is positively atrocious. Nowhere did I even vaguely imply such a thing. YOU did, and I pointed out that it's hypocrisy in the extreme coming from a JetU "graduate."
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So attacked me and not the subject matter, which you were wrong on. Got it.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
No, I attacked your hypocrisy, not you. I could go a great many different directions if I wanted to attack you as a person.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Uh huh. Seen yourself in a mirror lately? You really ought to be better. I guess that self help fell apart.
There’s no hypocrisy. I admit that low time abinitio was crazy and for at least the first 500 hrs, we are in over our heads. But that directly played out itself in the Ethiopian crash. The main problem is some places do click click, click click when things go wrong, and some places do CMD A! CMD A! Oh no, it’s not working, what do we do now?!
It has nothing to do with race, skin color, xenophobia. If you don’t get it, then I can’t help you.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Allow me to disabuse you of the notion that my change in perspective ever would have involved going easy on religion or hypocrisy. Not sure where you got such a silly idea.
Good god, if I ever get to the point where I'm looking for help from CC, someone please shoot me and put me out of my misery!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Should I start enunciating the same way?
"Turn to page three-hundred and nine......ty........four."