SlumTodd_Millionaire
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So this still doesn’t make sense, then. Hiring means additional airplanes, not just bringing back parked ones. And the parked ones aren’t even coming back yet.
Furlough Estimates
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So this still doesn’t make sense, then. Hiring means additional airplanes, not just bringing back parked ones. And the parked ones aren’t even coming back yet.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Did I say anything about hiring pilots?
bimmerphile
Sidestick Wiggler
Not necessarily in covid times, seems like it could change staffing. Reserve coverage probably has to be higher per block hour in the event of self quarantines/employee infections
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
Schedules are also often less efficient, so they need more crews per plane than before the Pandemic. Not sure if this would be enough that they'd need to hire but who knows.
There’s talk of the vaccine being available as soon as mid December. And while that is still just frontline workers that can get it, Ma and Pa freedom will still take it as the permission to resume normal life.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Coronavirus likes this, although I respectfully submit that Ma and Pa Freedumb never really stopped.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
That’s literally what started this discussion. Someone said F9 would be hiring hundreds of pilots next year.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
They confirmed 6.4 million to be distributed within 24 hours of FDA approval. FDA meets Dec 10, how long that process takes is undetermined. But with Moderna and Pfizer they said they'll have around 40 million distributed by the end of 2020. But I do believe that's worldwide, not just US.
*correction, appears 40 million by years end for USA. How much actually get distributed, who knows but they say they'll have them ready.
Nark
Macho Superpilot
You know there is more than one ULCC in America... right?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
California Pacific Airways?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You know that’s an irrelevant comment, right?
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Does anyone have the numbers currently furloughed at each airline?
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I just can't imagine this being healthy. Like the death counters on cable news. Maybe I'm off base. Idk.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
You could be right. I'm not looking for the information for any nefarious purpose. There's a colleague on our union forum suggesting that American, for example, hasn't furloughed. I believe that is incorrect and want to debate armed with factual information.
At the moment my pilot group is being asked for concessions in exchange for furlough protection. The vocal majority(?) suggests that concessions have never prevented a furlough, but I believe United, Delta, JetBlue and more prove that to be incorrect.
They should all vote their conscience if in fact we even have anything to vote on. But if they're trying to persuade former military pilots for example who might not have as strong a background in civil aviation history, then I believe they should be factual.
So numbers, not to declare winners or losers but to aggregate data might be useful in the interest of discussion.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
A friend of mine is furloughed from American, so that’s incorrect.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Seems what is being negiotated in public by your CEO is a big ask compared to the many airlines who saved furloughs. That's just my observation. I know you guys came into this overstaffed from what I've read, how was the early retirement in terms of mitigating that? Obviously you're overstaffed for this climate but did it make a good dent?
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Yup, the furlough notice on Oct 1 went around the interwebs. Sad. From what I've heard they started with X amount and plan the rest over a period of time? Their Q3 earnings look wicked scary to still be burning around 2x as much as their rivals. Not sure why, maybe you know?
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
About 7% left for good. Another 14% took extended leave, but about 500 of those return from leave March 1st.
I don't want to debate the ask. My opinion on whether not it was reasonable is irrelevant.
I just dislike someone arguing their point based on the notion that concessions never helped mitigate furloughs, when there are clear examples in the recent past of places where they did - UA, DL, B6 and maybe more.
If you don't want to take concessions, fine. Say that. Don't make justifications for full pay till the last day. I'd have more respect for people who say "I've been here a long time and don't believe I should have to give anything up for junior pilots"
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